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Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 1996 of 2932 (902330)
11-21-2022 5:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 1993 by AZPaul3
11-21-2022 5:06 PM
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Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
APauling writes: We know the reality as evidenced.
"reality"? You're not interested in reality - you're a Darwinist.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 1997 of 2932 (902331)
11-21-2022 5:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 1996 by Dredge
11-21-2022 5:11 PM
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Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
This from a meat-cracker munching catholic.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 1998 of 2932 (902332)
11-21-2022 5:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 1995 by AZPaul3
11-21-2022 5:11 PM
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Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
APauling writes: Dredge, it hardly matters. You're wrong no matter what you write.
That's an APauling thing to say ... especially to a friend.
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 1999 of 2932 (902333)
11-21-2022 5:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 1990 by AZPaul3
11-21-2022 4:31 PM
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Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
AZPaul3:
Note you don't dispute with actual facts these accusations of fraud.
You know Lenski? You correspond with him? Invite him here to tell us how you schooled him on his own results.
I defy you to find any support for your views in the science community. You're a fraud, Kleinman.
You are an idiot AZPaul3. I have conversed several times with Lenski about his work and I have explained to him (and you) why competition slows descent with modification. It slows all the populations' growth including those that go extinct as well as those that adapt. This is the correct mathematics for descent with modification and the scientific community (that doesn't include you, you are not a scientist) will have to face facts. This math is way over your head. And I hope you like it dry, very dry.
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2000 of 2932 (902334)
11-21-2022 5:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 1995 by AZPaul3
11-21-2022 5:11 PM
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Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
AZPaul3:
Dredge, it hardly matters. You're wrong no matter how you spell it.
Yeah, right, like you are going to explain the Kishony and Lenski experiments. You can't even explain why the Colorado River is drying out so fast. Thank California which is dumping water from the Sierras into the ocean. I hope you like it dry, real dry.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 2001 of 2932 (902335)
11-21-2022 5:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 1999 by Kleinman
11-21-2022 5:26 PM
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Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
I have conversed several times with Lenski about his work One way messages are not conversing. I don't believe you.
This is the correct mathematics ... Others have shown that it is not. I do not believe you.
the scientific community (that doesn't include you, you are not a scientist) will have to face facts. We have the facts and none of them support your religious-inspired tripe. You're a fraud, Kleinman.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2002 of 2932 (902336)
11-21-2022 5:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 2001 by AZPaul3
11-21-2022 5:34 PM
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Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
I would bet dollars to donuts that Lenski never responded to him.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2003 of 2932 (902337)
11-21-2022 5:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 2001 by AZPaul3
11-21-2022 5:34 PM
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Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman:
I have conversed several times with Lenski about his work
AZPaul3:
One way messages are not conversing. I don't believe you.
Who cares what you believe, it is wrong.
Kleinman:
This is the correct mathematics ...
AZPaul3:
Others have shown that it is not. I do not believe you.
Which one explained the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments? None of them have.
Kleinman:
the scientific community (that doesn't include you, you are not a scientist) will have to face facts.
AZPaul3:
We have the facts and none of them support your religious-inspired tripe.
You're a fraud, Kleinmen.
Yeah, you have the facts but they don't include the physics and mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiments. You have 200k retroviral infections that don't do a thing to a germ line when Taq gives one example of koalas that may go extinct from a single infection. You are brilliantly wrong and completely without facts, only silly speculation. I hope you like it dry, real dry.
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Theodoric:
I would bet dollars to donuts that Lenski never responded to him.
Lenski just needs to learn some thermodynamics. And he's not the only biologist that is deficient in that training. There are plenty out there that don't know simple thermodynamics. But you are all such great scientists without understanding thermodynamics.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 2005 of 2932 (902339)
11-21-2022 5:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 2003 by Kleinman
11-21-2022 5:47 PM
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Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Who cares what you believe, it is wrong. I care. That's why I said that. And, I'm right.
Which one explained the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments? Not you, that's for sure. You put forth some bs muddled math and pat yourself on the back. But it's all wrong and you're the only one who can't see that. But, then, you're on a religious mission. The facts mean nothing to you.
... the physics and mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiments.
... 200k retroviral infections
... koalas that may go extinct Run home to your lies. That is a sad defense of your fraud, Kleinman.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2006 of 2932 (902340)
11-21-2022 6:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 2005 by AZPaul3
11-21-2022 5:58 PM
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Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman:
Who cares what you believe, it is wrong.
AZPaul3:
I care. That's why I said that. And, I'm right.
Sure, you are right. About what, who knows?
Kleinman:
Which one explained the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments?
AZPaul3:
Not you, that's for sure. You put forth some bs muddled math and pat yourself on the back. But it's all wrong and you're the only one who can't see that.
But, then, you're on a religious mission. The facts mean nothing to you.
Sure, you are an expert in the facts. Fish evolve into mammals and reptiles evolve into birds, you are so smart.
Kleinman:
... the physics and mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiments.
... 200k retroviral infections
... koalas that may go extinctAZPaul3:
Run home to your lies.
That is a sad defense of your fraud, Kleinman.
You are an expert, in what, we don't know. But I hope you like it dry, real dry.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 2007 of 2932 (902341)
11-21-2022 6:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 2006 by Kleinman
11-21-2022 6:24 PM
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Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Fish evolve into mammals and reptiles evolve into birds, you are so smart. I take it back. Not everything you say is a lie. You just made three factual observations in a row.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2008 of 2932 (902342)
11-21-2022 6:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 2007 by AZPaul3
11-21-2022 6:28 PM
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Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman:
Fish evolve into mammals and reptiles evolve into birds, you are so smart.
AZPaul3:
I take it back. Not everything you say is a lie. You just made three factual observations in a row.
Of course, it is true. Too bad you can't explain how bacteria evolve resistance to an antibiotic and why cancer treatments fail. And I hope you like it dry, real dry.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2009 of 2932 (902344)
11-21-2022 7:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 2004 by Kleinman
11-21-2022 5:51 PM
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Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
You have never had a conversation or correspondence with Lenski. You are a fraud.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Theodoric:
You have never had a conversation or correspondence with Lenski. You are a fraud.
You are wrong about so much, including this.
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