Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."

Reminds me of survivor bias and WW II bombers. They would map the bullet holes on bombers that made it back to the airfield, but it would have been a mistake to place more armor in those regions. Instead, you need to put armor where there were no bullet holes on the surviving planes.The same for ERVs. As you discussed, the gametes that survive are those who have the least impactful insertions. Same applies for offspring.There are also immune pathways that suppress expression of viral sequence that has entered into the genome. Subsequent mutation of ERV sequence does away with the worst effects, and can even offer some protection when copies of the endogenous viral sequence binds to complementary sequence from exogenous viral sequence and reduces the severity of infection.

Kleinman:

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Don't be silly. That's not what Taq's link is talking about. It is only a single infection. So let's say the koalas survive 10 generations and they get another germline infection. And another 10 generations and another germline infection, and another and another and another. They are getting HIV, followed by T-lymphocytic virus, followed by some other retrovirus, then another and another. You are under delusion to think they would survive even one infection let alone 200k infections.

Taq:

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There are much milder viral infections that involve insertion into the host genome, such as adenovirus. You are assuming that all viral infections will kill off a species.
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We also have the evidence that these germline invasions happened. That evidence is the ERVs. There are about 100 human specific insertions which would have been acquired over the last 5 million years. On average, that's one ERV every 50,000 years. Of course, it was probably a bit more concentrated than that, but it isn't every 10 generations for 200k insertions. This occurred over 10's of millions of years.

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You are so stupid and inexperienced. Even so-called mild viruses (rhinovirus) can be lethal:
https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/121113 You are stupid and inexperienced. You are ignorant and dangerous.

Kleinman:

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When you learn what a virus will do to a germline cell, let me know.

Taq:

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I already learned. You are behind the curve because you think every single ERV will result in birth defects and fetal death. You are wrong.

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Tell us all about your experience treating germline viral infections. And tell us about your experience with mild virus infections you idiot. Not only do you cause dead people by Covid, but you can also kill children with rhinovirus. You shoot your mouth off with no experience and it shows.

dwise1:

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So the question that's left to be discussed is how a retroviral infection inserts its RNA/DNA without killing that individual cell.

Taq:

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Reminds me of survivor bias and WW II bombers. They would map the bullet holes on bombers that made it back to the airfield, but it would have been a mistake to place more armor in those regions. Instead, you need to put armor where there were no bullet holes on the surviving planes.

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Who wants to hear your speculation? You have already speculated about Covid and that turned out to be a mess, and then you speculated about "mild" virus infection which you have absolutely no experience with. You have no experience in the subject even though you worked 26 years in a lab. And now you are going to tell us about 200k retroviral germline infections that don't cause any harm. You are an idiot.

I see you still can't act like an adult.

Kleinman:

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Who wants to hear your speculation? You have already speculated about Covid and that turned out to be a mess, and then you speculated about "mild" virus infection which you have absolutely no experience with. You have no experience in the subject even though you worked 26 years in a lab. And now you are going to tell us about 200k retroviral germline infections that don't cause any harm. You are an idiot.

Taq:

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I see you still can't act like an adult.

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Why don't you stop killing people with your stupidity?

No, it is not!Please do remind me to never have any kind of medical emergency anywhere in the vicinity of Merced, Calif.

Kleinman:

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Don't be silly. That's not what Taq's link is talking about. It is only a single infection.

dwise1:

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No, it is not!
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Please do remind me to never have any kind of medical emergency anywhere in the vicinity of Merced, Calif.

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It's the infection that has the potential to drive the koala to extinction. And how disappointing to not have you as a patient. You need all the help you can get. I'll have to make do with the other 150,000 patient visits I've done.

He was pretty broken when he showed up here, but now he's a clusterfuck.

Taq:

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Taq observes in Message 1801:
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I think we broke Kleinman.

top.AZPaul3:

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Yeah, I think he's gone.

Tanypteryx:

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He was pretty broken when he showed up here, but now he's a clusterfuck.

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I don't have any problem writing out the physics and mathematics of biological evolution including the explanations of the Kishony and Lenski experiments and why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation. And I've published the mathematics of recombination. So, what has this boob Tany done? Chased some bugs and he thinks that 200k infections of a germline with one of the most dangerous types of viruses known, retroviruses, cause no damage. Who would trust that dumb cluck that he understands biological evolution?

You are an asshole.

God what a fool. You are not looking at what you think. Again, you misinterpret and misrepresent the reality.With an ERV you are not looking at DNA from an infected germline cell but from a germline cell where the viral mechanism failed to takeover. The original cell remained quite intact and functional (became a gamete) even with the now failed viral remains inserted in its genome. Inheritable.Yes, dickweed, we know you don’t ‘believe’ in ERVs or descent or reality but you again lied about the mechanism the rest of us are talking about. Again, dishonest, deliberately.The next time you eat the cracker your priest is going to have to slap you extra hard.

Theodoric:

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You are an asshole.

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Maybe so, but at least I know how biological evolution works and you don't. You are too dumb.

Kleinman:

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... that 200k infections of a germline with one of the most dangerous types of viruses known, retroviruses, cause no damage.

AZPaul3:

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God what a fool. You are not looking at what you think. Again, you misinterpret and misrepresent the reality.

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AZPaul3 is now going to explain how a dangerous virus does not cause damage with 200k infections, just like he explains the Kishony and Lenski experiments. I hope you like it dry, real dry.

No. No he isn't. You're lying again. You know the answer but, as before, you are too religiously motivated to accept reality. No 200k infections as you state them. But 200k+ ERVs in the gene pool. Apparently you are too intellectually stunted to recognize the difference or the mechanisms involved.