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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Dredge
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Message 405 of 2790 (899530)
10-15-2022 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 404 by Kleinman
10-15-2022 1:43 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Kleinman writes:
Where are all the fossils that demonstrate the next transitional mutation? 
Oh that's easy ... Those fossils can only be found in the minds of Darwinists.
Some Darwinists even employ artists to draw identikit impressions of the transitionals they see in their minds, which might end up in textbooks portrayed as creatures that really existed.
Darwinist fairy-tales in textbooks ... yep, it's all very funny (but not really).

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Message 407 of 2790 (899534)
10-15-2022 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by ringo
10-15-2022 9:40 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
ringo writes:
Fossils don't demonstrate mutations. They demonstrate physical changes that may have been caused by a long chain of mutations.
... a vain attempt to dodge the question.

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Message 417 of 2790 (899554)
10-16-2022 4:11 AM
Reply to: Message 410 by Tanypteryx
10-15-2022 11:51 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
A gross insult to Kleinman.

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Dredge
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Message 424 of 2790 (899568)
10-16-2022 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 422 by Kleinman
10-16-2022 7:54 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Kleinman writes:
The experimental evidence actually contradicts his beliefs so he figures if he acts like a chimpanzee and throws some poop around that it will make his belief system seem more real.
That's a bit different, I suppose - Darwinists usually throw bullshit around.

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Dredge
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Message 425 of 2790 (899569)
10-16-2022 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 410 by Tanypteryx
10-15-2022 11:51 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Tanypteryx writes:
Kleinman's equal.
You must be joking. I'm nowhere near Kleinman's equal - he's much, much smarter than I am.

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Dredge
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Message 426 of 2790 (899570)
10-16-2022 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 409 by Kleinman
10-15-2022 11:49 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Homer Simpson makes more sense than your average Darwinist.

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Dredge
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Message 434 of 2790 (899585)
10-16-2022 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 431 by Kleinman
10-16-2022 10:29 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Kleinman writes:
Why don't you send a sample of your DNA and a chimp's DNA to ancestry.com and see if you are related?
Great idea. The results would be very interesting.

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Dredge
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Message 435 of 2790 (899586)
10-16-2022 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 427 by Tanypteryx
10-16-2022 9:53 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Tanypteryx writes:
Perhaps you can explain the patterns of endogenous retroviral insertions in human and chimp genomes.
It seems to me that the science of genetics is still in its infancy. Don't be surprised to find that in 50 years time, geneticists will have a very different understanding of ERVs than they do now.

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Message 436 of 2790 (899587)
10-16-2022 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 429 by Tanypteryx
10-16-2022 10:06 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Tanypteryx writes:
And yet you both use the same playbook for your style of argument.
I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion.

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Dredge
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Message 438 of 2790 (899590)
10-16-2022 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 423 by Kleinman
10-16-2022 8:10 AM


Re: Science is full of pseudoscience
Kleinman writes:
And the problem with this covid vaccination episode is the sloppy job of creating ineffective vaccines with incomplete testing, in an environment of fear caused by politicians and pharmaceutical companies for their own gains and very poor expert advice on the purpose and the way vaccines work.
I had my two Moderna vaccine shots 12 months ago and I still occasionally feel ill from them. For about the first eight months, I felt sick, dizzy, short of breath and fatigued just about every day. A nasty experience.

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Dredge
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Message 439 of 2790 (899591)
10-16-2022 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 437 by Kleinman
10-16-2022 11:57 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
I prefer to believe that humans did not evolve but were created as per Genesis 2:7, about 10,000 years ago.
As for non-human life, I think it has been around for much longer than that, as the fossil record and geology suggest. However, I don't believe Darwinian theory describes the process responsible for producing the history of life on earth.

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Dredge
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Message 442 of 2790 (899595)
10-16-2022 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 441 by Kleinman
10-16-2022 12:37 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Kleinman writes:
As a physician, I'm a big fan of vaccination based on the success with polio, small pox, hepatitis B, measles, tetanus ...
Don't get me wrong ... I'm not anti-vaccination in the least. One only has to look at the numbers to see how amazingly beneficial vaccination has been to mankind.
I've had some very weird and inexplicable things going on with my health for decades, which I attribute to my bad experience with the Covid vaccine.

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Message 444 of 2790 (899599)
10-16-2022 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 430 by Kleinman
10-16-2022 10:13 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Kleinman writes:
In a sense, I would consider myself a Darwinist because I think that Darwin gives is a correct qualitative understanding of biological evolution.
I think Darwinian theory works fine when describing what I call empirical evolution - ie, evolution that can be directly observed in real time - eg, drug resistance.
But as for describing the history of life on earth and the appearance of novel organs and body plans, I think Darwinian theory is childishly simplistic and has proven thoroughly inadequate.
By "Darwinist", I refer to someone who believes the history life on earth (including man) is the result of a purely biological process that proceeded according to Darwinian theory. So your average Western atheist qualifies as a "Darwinist" (whose devotion to Darwinism is typically total, blind, fanatical and quasi-religous).

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Dredge
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Message 470 of 2790 (899639)
10-16-2022 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 467 by Kleinman
10-16-2022 4:55 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Kleinman writes:
Abiogenesis and universal common descent, the dumb and dumber of the field of biology. 
Ha ha! Good one! Biology for Space Cadets.
Abiogenesis: Knowing how stupendously complex any living organism is, how dumb would you have to be to believe that lifeless mud, by a wild stoke of luck, somehow became a living organism? And that very fortunate organism just so happened to be able to reproduce! How lucky was that?!
The probability of that happening is to impossibly small that no one with even an ounce of common sense could believe such a profoundly unscientific idea.
Embarrassing.
Universal Common Descent: How dumb would you have to be to believe that a human and a lettuce evolved from the same organism? Manifest superstition. Embarrassing

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Dredge
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Message 480 of 2790 (899664)
10-17-2022 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 443 by AZPaul3
10-16-2022 12:58 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
AZPaul3 writes:
Since the covid vax is all of 3 years old you might want to look to some other cause of your decades long health problems.
I need to re-word that part. What I meant to say is that my bad reaction to the Covid vacc can attributed to my weird health.
Thank you for being my friend.

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