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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Theodoric
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Message 89 of 2790 (898158)
09-19-2022 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Kleinman
09-19-2022 7:34 PM


First
Can you define a beneficial mutation?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 91 of 2790 (898163)
09-19-2022 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Kleinman
09-19-2022 8:34 PM


Re: First
Do you now understand how ridiculous your question is?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 93 of 2790 (898165)
09-19-2022 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Kleinman
09-19-2022 9:12 PM


Re: First
Did I say anything like that? Why would you ask that unless you were trolling?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 97 of 2790 (898169)
09-19-2022 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Kleinman
09-19-2022 9:30 PM


Re: First
I don't see where he said anything like this.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 168 of 2790 (898292)
09-21-2022 10:12 PM


Hubris
Imagine the hubris it takes to think you have overturned all the science of the last 150 years in a field you have no education or training in. Stunning.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


  
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Message 204 of 2790 (898365)
09-22-2022 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by Tanypteryx
09-22-2022 6:17 PM


Re: Apples and oranges
He seems to think humanity is the pinnacle of evolution.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 263 of 2790 (898681)
09-27-2022 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Taq
09-27-2022 9:11 PM


Keeps going and.going
Kind of funny when cranks and trolls think they a smarter than everyone else. You gave him the rope, he hung himself but he is still going. When I am shown I have no idea what I am talking about I shut up and slink away. Not this guy.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 654 of 2790 (899996)
10-22-2022 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 650 by AZPaul3
10-21-2022 11:02 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Damn. He is full of shit all over the place.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 656 of 2790 (899998)
10-22-2022 12:51 AM
Reply to: Message 653 by nwr
10-21-2022 11:28 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Evaluating Alan Kleinman's arguments

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 688 of 2790 (900054)
10-22-2022 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 687 by Dredge
10-22-2022 3:26 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Oh yeah thats right you guys think genocide and child rape is a good thing as long as it is done for the glory of your deity.
May you rot in the hell you believe in.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 690 of 2790 (900057)
10-22-2022 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 689 by AZPaul3
10-22-2022 8:02 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Actually the figure is probably in excess of 90%.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 699 of 2790 (900066)
10-22-2022 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 697 by Dredge
10-22-2022 10:42 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
If I flip a coin 9 times and it comes up heads every time. What are the chances it will come up heads again?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 716 of 2790 (900088)
10-23-2022 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 715 by Kleinman
10-23-2022 9:58 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Sin ≠ Evil. Sin is a religious construct with little relation to reality. Yes murder is considered a sin, but so are things like blasphemy, masturbation and homosexuality. None of those are evil.
So please try to define sin again.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 718 of 2790 (900090)
10-23-2022 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 717 by Kleinman
10-23-2022 10:29 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
I get to define what is evil for me. Do you think you and your religion get to define what is evil for others.
I can blaspheme and masturbate and go to gay marriages all I want. No evil at all.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 728 of 2790 (900100)
10-23-2022 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 722 by Kleinman
10-23-2022 11:08 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Ahh, one of the strawman arguments you are so fond of. I have never attempted, wanted or argued that I should impose my moral views on others. Unlike you and other religious people. I could ask a similar question
Are you on parole before your trial on bestiality?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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