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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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The probability of a particular random recombination event occurring will be low unless the frequency of the two alleles is high in the population. There we have it - the Texas sharpshooter fallacy.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
I'm saying that descent with modification (DNA evolutionary adaptation) requires huge populations to operate even when considering a single selection pressure environment. So according to your mathematical model, how many generations would it take for a population of, say, 100,000 leopards to change from having spots to no spots ?Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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The probability of life arising naturally from inanimate matter would be LESS than zero No probability is less than zero. Study a bit of maths.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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You really do know how to put your foot in it, don't you. Try reading this and educate yourself:
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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And you manage to contradict yourself in 54 words.
I'll leave you be - you've dug your own hole here.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Dredge has still not grasped the basics of probability:
With all due respect, explaining how P (natural abiogenesis) < 0 is arrived at mathematically would be lost on you ... for the simple (no pun intended) reason that no atheist can understand the mathematics of God. As has been pointed out to him very clearly, probability cannot be less than zero, and yet still he persists. Kleinman must be so proud to have Dredge on his side.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
From your reply to dwise1:
What Dredge is talking about is the multiplication rule of probabilities. Is it Dredge's job to teach you introductory probability theory? From your reply to me (re Dredge):
Not everyone on this forum has knowledge of introductory probability theory let alone experts on the subject. You've just contradicted yourself in two messages, posted within 9 minutes of each other. Gotta be a record.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Feminism is demonic poison. Your entertainment value has vanished with this. You're a vile human being. My engagement with you is at an end.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Yep - and in Australia, misogyny is one of the main national pastimes, as I understand it.
Australia’s above-average sexism highlighted in global reportCould there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Indeed. Maths is moulded to describe reality. It doesn't dictate reality.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Indeed. But we know he's a fervent Catholic, so nothing will convince him to drop his delusions. If he did, he'd end up doubting his belief he'll go to heaven when he dies. (Whilst ignoring all the child abuse his church has been covering up for decades).
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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What?????? That's another one you are wrong on. As a mathematician, you will no doubt be able to give me the odds that every single one of the 216,000 instances of child abuse in the Catholic church in France, which were determined by a 30 month enquiry to have occurred since the 1950s did not, in fact, occur.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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You are mistaken if you think this great evil is limited to the Catholic Church. Oh I'm not saying it's limited to the Catholic church, Mr Divert-and-Hope-They'll-Go-Away. What I am saying is that for decades the Catholic church lied and covered up the vast numbers of paedophile priests who were sexually abusing children in their churches. They moved the priests to other churches where they set out to abuse thousands more children just to lie and protect the Catholic church's reputation.
That reputation was worth more to them than continuing to subject innocent children to the vile horror of paedophilia. So they lied. And lied. And lied again for decades. Despite the Bible's rather clear guidance.on the topic:
The LORD detests lying lips, but he delights in people who are trustworthy. (Proverbs 12:22) I detest paedophiles (though, just to correct you, I have been fortunate enough not to have been subjected to it). But I detest just as much a supposedly Christian church which lies in order to protect its reputation, when the cost of those lies is the continued subjection of hundreds of thousands of innocent children to a vile and disgusting crime. Edited by vimesey, . Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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This is an extract from Sattler College's website:
The modern higher education system is broken. Modern education is hostile to faith, too expensive, and academically weak. We need nothing short of a revolution. Sattler College was founded upon the biblical vision of Christian discipleship that addresses the mind, soul, and heart. Our mission is to provide an education that instructs the mind, discipleship that shapes the soul, and inspiration that inflames the heart. Our goal is to enable graduates to heartily say, “For God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power, love, and a sound mind” (2 Timothy 1:7). Nuff said.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 243 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Hi Paul - I found this useful article which states that in 2008, Daniel Styler showed that the earth is bathed in around one trillion times the amount of entropy flux required to support the evolution of complex life. So yes, what you say is correct.
It's also a very useful run-through of how the second law of thermodynamics does indeed support the evolution of life - as well as pointing out the simplistic bull which creationists like Kleinman try to peddle.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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