Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."

Show us where Kishony and Lenski (and Desai - don't forget poor Desai) agree with your conclusions about their experiments.

Kleinman:

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I have, you want me to explain your reference and I tell you to explain how a phage makes UCD possible.

Taq:

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Right, you are avoiding it. Here it is again.

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So you aren't going to explain how a phage makes UCD possible.

Kleinman:

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Don't be silly, you are the one claiming that recombination makes combination therapy fail.

Taq:

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That is a lie. It is the authors of peer reviewed papers that are saying recombination is an important factor for developing multidrug resistance in HIV.

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Then have them explain why combination therapy works for treating HIV, weeds, and insects, because you certainly can't explain.And since you won't explain what non-targeted resistance is, I'll have to. In medicine, that occurs sometimes when treating bacterial infections. Pseudomonas aeruginosa and other gram-negative bacteria have an efflux pump which when mutated becomes hyperactive and pumps all kinds of toxins (antibiotics) out of the bacteria. This can make the bacteria resistant to antibiotics it has never encountered. So, an antibiotic such as penicillin which acts by interfering with cell wall production doesn't work but not because the antibiotic binds but because the antibiotic is pumped out. It still could target the cell wall but the pump removes it. The usual strategy is to over-whelm the pump by using combination therapy.

Kleinman:

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Taq then brings up an example of koalas and retroviruses, and it is ruining their immune system and possibly driving them to extinction.

Taq:

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Yes, it is an example of a circulating retrovirus producing endogenous retroviruses, something you claim can't happen. Reality trumps your empty claims.

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So the only example you could come up with is making the koalas sick by destroying their immune system and possibly driving them to extinction. Only 199,999 to go. That's good enough to convince Tany and Theodoric. Of course, they know nothing of how biological evolution works. Do any of you understand how the Kishony and Lenski experiments works? Try using some probability theory, descent with modification is a stochastic process.

Kleinman:

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No one can claim that you are exaggerating the Kishony and Lenski experiment. You don't know anything about them or how they work.

ringo:

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Show us where Kishony and Lenski (and Desai - don't forget poor Desai) agree with your conclusions about their experiments.

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I guess you haven't heard, Kishony and Lenski have never published an explanation of their experiment, and Desai is still trying to figure out how drug resistance evolves.

That isn't what I asked for. I asked if they agree with YOUR conclusions.

Kleinman:

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I guess you haven't heard, Kishony and Lenski have never published an explanation of their experiment, and Desai is still trying to figure out how drug resistance evolves.

ringo:

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That isn't what I asked for. I asked if they agree with YOUR conclusions.

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Go ask them.

When they join EvC, I will ask them. Right now, I'm asking you - and either you don't know the answer or you don't want to be honest about it. You're just another crank, citing experiments and claiming you understand them better than the experimenters.

At least I know that your strawman bullshit about how a single fossil shows how reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals demonstrates your ignorance and dishonesty. You're pathetic.And you still haven't mustered a single shred of evidence to refute 200,000 ERVs in the human and chimp genomes that are the smoking gun that they share a common ancestor.Meanwhile you can't get a single scientist to cite your BS papers. All of science says you're a crank. You are a failure.

Kleinman:

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Go ask them.

ringo:

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When they join EvC, I will ask them. Right now, I'm asking you - and either you don't know the answer or you don't want to be honest about it. You're just another crank, citing experiments and claiming you understand them better than the experimenters.

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It is easy to understand this better than them, they have no explanation. In fact, Lenski didn't understand why competition slows adaptation until I explained it to him.

Kleinman:

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You are a very smart bug chaser that knows everything about biological evolution except how it works.

Tanypteryx:

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At least I know that your strawman bullshit about how a single fossil shows how reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals demonstrates your ignorance and dishonesty. You're pathetic.
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And you still haven't mustered a single shred of evidence to refute 200,000 ERVs in the human and chimp genomes that are the smoking gun that they share a common ancestor.
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Meanwhile you can't get a single scientist to cite your BS papers. All of science says you're a crank. You are a failure.

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Tany will now explain to us biological evolution which he knows nothing about. And then he will explain how 200k retrovirus infections cause no harm. And finally he will explain that my papers don't get cited but they do. Not many but not many biologists can explain the evolution of bacterial resistance and why cancer treatments fail. You are such a smart bug chaser.

Oh get over yourself, it's basic biology that everyone knows. And everyone is ignoring you because it's obvious that you don't even understand sexual reproduction.

In actuality he knows more than you and your misrepresentations. You don't know evolution, genetics or math. This is one of your biggest lies. No one ever said virus infections cause no harm. It is failed viral insertions that enter the gene pool not the live virus itself. This has been explained to you yet you insist in perpetrating you lies. The only citations to any of your screeds are yours. So you fake you citations, you fake your sources and you fake your analysis and results.Typical religious nutjob.

They don't agree with him, because they do not understand their own experiments and research. Only Kleinman truly understands the significance of those experiments. Everyone else is wrong because Kelinman's math skills are the only way to understand the experiments and what they truly mean.I think I got that right.

LOL.So there was this time I called Justice Roberts and explained the Constitution to him.

Kleinman:

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Not many but not many biologists can explain the evolution of bacterial resistance and why cancer treatments fail.

Tanypteryx:

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Oh get over yourself, it's basic biology that everyone knows. And everyone is ignoring you because it's obvious that you don't even understand sexual reproduction.

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They understand basic biology like you understand basic biology, not at all. That's why there are zero papers on the correct evolution in the Kishony and Lenski experiments, except mine. You really understand this like a bug chaser.