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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
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Message 2431 of 2932 (903325)
12-08-2022 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2417 by Phat
12-08-2022 7:58 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
I believe that he mentioned he was a Messianic Jew, but that's all that I have heard from him.
That is because you haven't read or understood what this anti-science religionist moron has written. Look at Message 458. That's just one of half a dozen you can find upthread if you look.
He is a creationist. Messianic jew means nothing. He's a fundamentalist radical christian. Theist. Creationist. Liar. Dolt.
Look at the texts, Phat. Kleinman is as much a believer in the disproven stupidity of the genesis myth as are you. And he has his faux-math to prove it.
He is here, as are all radical creationists, to do righteous battle with the evil of evolution. The same old shit they've been trying and failing at for the last 100 years.
Methinks you are showing your antitheist tendencies.
Of course. What did you expect in a conversation with an intellectually vacant theist?
And I seriously doubt that Jesus taught him math.
If he did then he did a shitty job. The math people here and other forums have shown Kleiman's math is useless self-serving drivel.
The guy is a lying anti-science religionist. And a charlatan at that trying to click-bait his errant papers into view. There is no reason we should not stomp on his head then tar and feather his creationist ass.

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Message 2432 of 2932 (903326)
12-08-2022 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2420 by Kleinman
12-08-2022 8:38 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Why don't you tell us how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail?
I'll leave that to the experts, of which you are not one.

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Message 2438 of 2932 (903334)
12-08-2022 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2437 by Kleinman
12-08-2022 2:14 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
You are just mad because your bubble has burst and you need another reason to justify your belief in atheism.
Belief in atheism. Wow. You really don't comprehend the issues at all.
Atheism is, literally, no belief.
Now your twisted creationist brain is going to go down a dueling-definitions rabbit hole trying to fight this well established fact. Stupid.
You're a fraud, Kleinman. And everyone needs to hear it. Often.
They don't understand the laws of thermodynamics and they can't explain a simple biological evolutionary problem
They know a hell of a lot more than you and can explain their discipline a hell of a lot better than you.
You are an ignorant fraud, Kleinman.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 2444 of 2932 (903342)
12-08-2022 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 2439 by Kleinman
12-08-2022 2:46 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
you believe that reptiles evolve into birds
No. We KNOW that reptiles and birds share a common ancestor millions of years ago.
and fish evolve into mammals.
No. We KNOW that hundreds of millions of years ago aquatic creatures adapted to land and from there the amphibians evolved into separate distinct lineages including reptiles extending to mammals and on to lying religionists.
And you know that is a fact because someone told you they had a transitional fossil.
I have an elevated level of confidence in the conclusions of experts that study and identify fossils showing evolved traits between lineages.
I have no confidence in the insinuations or pronouncements of a religious fraud like yourself.
Of course, that someone can't tell you how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
Neither can you Kleinman. In many forums your studies and their conclusions have been shown to be a fake. You are a known fraud.
You are religion. Lying evil. You are poison to the human species.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 2451 of 2932 (903353)
12-08-2022 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2446 by Kleinman
12-08-2022 4:01 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
AZPaul3 talks a good story, the coward that he is.
You have not shown error in anything I have said. That should be very telling to the spectators in the peanut gallery.
On the contrary, this forum has shown the errors and deliberate deceptions in your religiously motivated efforts to disprove common descent, evolution, genetics, math, reality ...
You are a fraud, Kleinman. And a truly ignorant one.

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Message 2454 of 2932 (903356)
12-08-2022 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 2449 by Kleinman
12-08-2022 4:11 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman:
you believe that reptiles evolve into birds
AZPaul3:
No. We KNOW that reptiles and birds share a common ancestor millions of years ago.

Yeah, right, you were a naive child and you grew up to be a naive adult. You are also a dummy.
You still haven't shown error in anything I've said. You can turn a blind eye to fact but it ain't going away.
The naive child is the one who never grew out of bible school and ruined his career and reputation becoming a radical religious fraud.

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Message 2470 of 2932 (903401)
12-09-2022 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2465 by Kleinman
12-09-2022 2:00 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Let me help you with those links.
These submissions have been rejected by the discipline. They are bogus.

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Message 2478 of 2932 (903409)
12-09-2022 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2474 by Kleinman
12-09-2022 4:27 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Again, you show no error in what I have said.

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Message 2482 of 2932 (903426)
12-10-2022 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 2481 by Kleinman
12-10-2022 8:25 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Again, You do not deny your papers are bogus, presenting false conclusions, rejected by the scientific community.

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Message 2487 of 2932 (903469)
12-10-2022 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 2484 by Kleinman
12-10-2022 2:46 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
The math and physics are correct and they haven't been rejected by the scientific community (the scientists that want to know how bacterial resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail).
Bullshit.
As you have stated in this thread multiple times, that does not include any biologist or geneticist of the modern discipline who are all too stupid to understand Desai, Kishony, Lenski, thermodynamics, physics, chemistry, math and the world according to Kleinman.
You have already acknowledged the discipline does not understand you. They are all oh-so-wrong about how biology and genetics really works. Only you know how it all works. And after paying to have your papers published your great revelations have been promptly ignored by everyone.
I wouldn't say that's a ringing endorsement of your views by the science community, would you?
As for your math and physics ... you left a trail across three forums with lots of folks showing the errors in your screeds. And as you have done here with Taq and PaulK's corrections, you just ignore them all.
Kleinman, you are not some scientist trying to find reality. You want to kill evolution and replace it with your fantasy. You are a priest standing in the temple door preaching to anyone passing by trying to lie your god back into his lost role in Genesis.
Kleinman, you are a fraud.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 2492 of 2932 (903478)
12-11-2022 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 2491 by Kleinman
12-11-2022 11:40 AM


Apparently the doctors aren't so sure.
Aren't you going to call Alyssa's doctors, explain to them why their treatment will fail then read them Kishony, Lenski and Desai (Oh my!)?
Since you say all cancer doctors are so incompetent, and you hold the only keys to her survival, you should petition the court to take over her treatment. Once they read your published papers and see your stellar math skills you should easily convince the court of your superiority on this subject.
To not do so would be a violation of your oath.

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Message 2494 of 2932 (903481)
12-11-2022 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 2490 by Kleinman
12-11-2022 11:39 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Watchout everyone, Bonzo is getting ready to throw.
We threw. It's been on your face for 1000 messages now. It stinks and you wear it well.
You still can't counter anything said about your scam and fraud. Of course, since it's all true, you haven't any counter.
You are a fake and a fraud, Kleinman.

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Message 2513 of 2932 (903525)
12-12-2022 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 2507 by ringo
12-12-2022 10:54 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
You likely never will.
You do realize you are going to receive a demanded math assignment for this observation, right?

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Message 2561 of 2932 (903598)
12-13-2022 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 2560 by Kleinman
12-13-2022 5:46 PM


Fraud.

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Message 2598 of 2932 (903772)
12-16-2022 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 2597 by Kleinman
12-16-2022 1:59 PM


I'm not the one claiming there are links that explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Well, except for these. For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
Abd for multiple simultaneous selection pressure:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.
The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

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