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Message 569 of 2932 (899816)
10-19-2022 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by Kleinman
10-19-2022 5:42 PM


Re: Not Just Math, Kleinman Doesn't Know Anything
AZPaul3, you need to face the fact that you don't even understand the inner workings of the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments and neither do biologists.
We don't believe you.

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Message 571 of 2932 (899819)
10-19-2022 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 570 by Kleinman
10-19-2022 6:10 PM


Re: Not Just Math, Kleinman Doesn't Know Anything
Whatever reason you have for believing in universal common descent, you will have to find another explanation because universal common descent is not true.
We don't believe you. We know better.

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Message 610 of 2932 (899912)
10-21-2022 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 609 by Dredge
10-21-2022 12:42 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
I referred to the odds of the same person winning the lottery 1000 times in a row.
I didn't check your math because, like Kleinman's math, it's useless.
But I grant the point that in your simple pop-culture anti-science vernacular such a thing is "statistically impossible", though in fact it is possible just not at all probable.

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Message 617 of 2932 (899923)
10-21-2022 5:18 AM
Reply to: Message 612 by Dredge
10-21-2022 2:48 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
I didn't invent the term, "statistically impossible", which does not mean literally impossible.
In your popular parochial non-intellectual definitions that is correct. You can define your layman's terms anyway makes you happy.
Just like infinities math contains a lot of concepts that science sees quite differently. Whether you are charting a discrete or continuous series you can asymptote to "impossible" as much as you want. You never get there. It doesn't exist on the chart.
You might say it is impossible to asymptote to impossible.

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Message 618 of 2932 (899929)
10-21-2022 6:17 AM
Reply to: Message 612 by Dredge
10-21-2022 2:48 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
A bunch of years ago the state of Texas added two additional numbers to their lotto choices. Now you could select numbers 51 and 52 in your lotto mix. The state lotto commission blanketed the state with ads showing two dancing ping-pong balls with “51” and “52” on them. The graphics and the voice over were about how great the lotto had become with “two more chances to win!”. It was aimed at folks like you, wasn't it.
That sure would help get you to 1000 wins faster, right?

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Message 624 of 2932 (899938)
10-21-2022 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 623 by Kleinman
10-21-2022 9:30 AM


Kleinman will now show us the math on the fall of the British Empire and the physics and/or the mathematics that limit comments to imagined contradictions.
I can't wait to learn from him.

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Message 645 of 2932 (899983)
10-21-2022 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 644 by Kleinman
10-21-2022 6:14 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Kleinman will now have his peers Kishony, Lenski, and Desai, explain, here at Evc, that DNA evolution works the same with viruses and bacteria as with multicellular sexually reproducing organisms.
Can't wait to learn from them.

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Message 646 of 2932 (899986)
10-21-2022 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 644 by Kleinman
10-21-2022 6:14 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
They know my math is correct, that's why they published it.
"They" didn't peer review your work. It was vanity published, as you know well, and no peer review was done.

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Message 648 of 2932 (899989)
10-21-2022 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 647 by Kleinman
10-21-2022 7:35 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
John Wiley & Sons is a book seller and does not publish an independent peer reviewed scientific journal. They publish hundreds of journals as as service available to the independent journals. They do not have their own journal. They are a publishing house, not a journal. You're trying to hide the weenie again.

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Message 650 of 2932 (899992)
10-21-2022 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 649 by Kleinman
10-21-2022 8:15 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
You didn't have to prove me right so quickly. I thought you might want to hide more weenies first.
Yes, as i said, they are a publishing house. They publish journals. They do not create them, edit them or review them.
You also have a group of detractors over at Google Groups, talk.origins. They know your math is erroneous, your observations bogus, just as we concluded. They didn't like your personality either.
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/cUFAn6vukD4
You're a failed star on both forums.
Do you have any positive responses to any of your papers? Where are the glowing reviews of your genius breakthroughs? As staggeringly brilliant as you say your work is, redirecting all of science onto the proper probability models, there should be legions of testimonials. Where are they? You hide those weenies too?

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Message 664 of 2932 (900011)
10-22-2022 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 663 by vimesey
10-22-2022 7:58 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
You have to remember you are talking to a meat-cracker eating catholic. Of course you will find misogyny. These guys invented it. Another evil perpetrated by god and Her retinue of demons.

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Message 671 of 2932 (900023)
10-22-2022 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 669 by Kleinman
10-22-2022 9:44 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Felsenstein refuses to do the mathematics for the Kishony and Lenski experiments.
Obsessed Johnny Onenote.
I've already given you positive responses, pay attention.
No you haven't. All you have given us is disingenuous excuses and lies.
You cannot provide any positive feedback from the science community on your drivel. The community has rejected your analysis and has ignored you since.
Biologists don't understand how descent with modification works.
Of course that makes you a martyr and a hero. The know-nothing world-wide discipline of thousands of biologists are all wrong. Only you are right.
You're an idiot. No one accepts your crap. You are reduced to shouting silently into the void. How many forums have rejected your presence? Include EvC.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 673 of 2932 (900026)
10-22-2022 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 672 by Dredge
10-22-2022 10:27 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Is there anything more unnatural, insane and satanic than feminism?
The catholic church. The greatest evil on Earth.

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Message 677 of 2932 (900033)
10-22-2022 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 675 by Kleinman
10-22-2022 11:45 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
I thought I heard some shouting coming thru the void. No, Just Kleinman again.

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Message 684 of 2932 (900042)
10-22-2022 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 678 by Kleinman
10-22-2022 12:11 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
... somebody has to teach novices, laymen, and biologists how descent with modification works.
And it sure ain't going to be you. You have shown yourself to be incompetent.

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