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Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2182 of 2932 (902682)
11-26-2022 4:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 2180 by Kleinman
11-26-2022 3:02 PM
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Re: Usable energy
Nope you are utterly clueless.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2184 of 2932 (902684)
11-26-2022 5:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 2183 by Kleinman
11-26-2022 4:24 PM
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Re: Usable energy
Please explain how it is governed by the 2nd law.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2186 of 2932 (902691)
11-26-2022 6:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 2185 by Kleinman
11-26-2022 6:44 PM
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Re: Usable energy
But descent with modification is not a closed system.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2188 of 2932 (902698)
11-26-2022 7:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 2187 by Kleinman
11-26-2022 7:28 PM
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Re: Usable energy
In order for the 2nd law of thermodynamics to be relevant, it does. The 2nd law of thermodynamics is only relevant to a closed system. You fail. Can you find anyone that supports your assertion? Anyone?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2190 of 2932 (902705)
11-27-2022 12:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 2189 by Kleinman
11-26-2022 7:56 PM
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Re: Usable energy
You are an idiot. He agrees.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2194 of 2932 (902719)
11-27-2022 10:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 2192 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 9:26 AM
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Re: Usable energy
But you do not seem to grasp that in an open system there is no limit on usable energy.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2195 of 2932 (902720)
11-27-2022 10:30 AM
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Reply to: Message 2192 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 9:26 AM
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Re: Usable energy
Explain the equation and the energy component.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2197 of 2932 (902722)
11-27-2022 10:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 2193 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 9:38 AM
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Re: Usable energy
I am always stunned by the hubris of cranks and trolls. The amount of narcissism it must take in order to believe you know more than every expert in the field. To think that you are the world's leading expert in a subject you have no advanced education in is not just stunning but shows a severe mental health defect. You are truly a god among me. Not because of your knowledge or scientific arguments, but because of your conceit, hubris, and narcissism.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2199 of 2932 (902724)
11-27-2022 10:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 2196 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 10:34 AM
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Re: Usable energy
We are talking about life and life processes. So on Earth, the usable energy is (for all intents and purposes) unlimited.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2200 of 2932 (902725)
11-27-2022 10:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 2198 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 10:39 AM
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Re: Usable energy
The equation in the wiki article you linked to.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2202 of 2932 (902728)
11-27-2022 10:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 2201 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 10:43 AM
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Re: Usable energy
Another strawman.
I guess that means you won't tell us of an environment with infinite carrying capacity.
I never said anything about infinite carrying capacity. Liar, dishonest, narcissistic crank. I hope Admin takes the lead of Panda's Thumb and deals with you.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2204 of 2932 (902730)
11-27-2022 10:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 2203 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 10:47 AM
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Re: Usable energy
Another strawman.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2208 of 2932 (902736)
11-27-2022 11:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 2207 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 11:01 AM
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Re: Usable energy
Again we are discussing the implication of the theory on life and living systems.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2212 of 2932 (902741)
11-27-2022 11:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 2211 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 11:29 AM
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Re: Usable energy
So, tell us how dry Lake Mead is?
Relevance? Have you heard of the Sun?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 2215 of 2932 (902744)
11-27-2022 11:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 2213 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 11:46 AM
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Re: Usable energy
Still waiting for relevance of Lake Mead. Have you heard of photosynthesis? Maybe you have heard of chemical reactions that produce energy. Maybe you have heard of hydrothermal vent worms. The whole carrying capacity argument is irrelevant to your previous arguments. You are just throwing up strawman arguments and doing a gish gallop instead of addressing serious criticism from serious scientists about your posts. I am merely pointing out your dishonesty, lies and fraud. You are correct. I am out of my field and comfort zone. My posts and questions are meant to further expose your ignorance and dishonesty. I will now leave it for the scientists to further discredit you.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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