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Theodoric
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Message 2275 of 2926 (902818)
11-27-2022 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 2254 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 4:32 PM


Re: A Simple Question
I'm a Messianic Jew
In other words a fundie christian.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2287 of 2926 (902832)
11-27-2022 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2279 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 7:40 PM


Re: A Simple Question
So you at least admit you aren't really Jewish. Just like to cosplay.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2299 of 2926 (902849)
11-27-2022 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 2288 by Kleinman
11-27-2022 8:28 PM


Re: A Simple Question
Messianic jews are not jews. It is impossible to be a jew and a christian at the same time. Tell me one mainstream jewish org that considers you cosplayers as Jews.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2307 of 2926 (902864)
11-28-2022 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 2300 by Kleinman
11-28-2022 7:35 AM


Re: Usable energy
Even if you prove UCD and TOE false (which you have not) it does not mean creationism is true.
Creo fundies all seem to not understand that they still would need to find scientific evidence for their pet belief in order for it to take over. Also, Creos seem to lack an understanding of and the difference between TOE and the original formation of life. TOE and UCD say nothing about the original formation of life,

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2309 of 2926 (902867)
11-28-2022 8:54 AM


Kleinman's other mantra
Instead of actually addressing questions we get this.
quote:
no idea how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail
OM...

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2336 of 2926 (902938)
11-28-2022 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 2330 by dwise1
11-28-2022 6:30 PM


Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Also known as the Fallacy of Equivocation.
Equivocation - RationalWiki

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2339 of 2926 (902941)
11-28-2022 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 2338 by Kleinman
11-28-2022 7:16 PM


Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
The mantra continues.
Om...

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 2352 of 2926 (902963)
11-29-2022 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 2350 by Taq
11-29-2022 10:38 AM


Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
I think you may have to give definitions of analogous and homologous. Or at least examples. Like sexual vs asexual, he might not know what the terms mean.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2377 of 2926 (903001)
11-29-2022 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 2376 by Taq
11-29-2022 5:56 PM


Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Yup he doesn't even understand why.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2380 of 2926 (903004)
11-29-2022 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2379 by Kleinman
11-29-2022 6:22 PM


Re: Creationist Thermodynamics
Om...

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2404 of 2926 (903227)
12-06-2022 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2401 by ringo
12-06-2022 11:29 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Hawai'i and Spam are similar to why salted cod is a delicacy in Puerto Rico. Bacalao was a cheap food for the colonizers to send to the island. When the US took over in 1898 they proceeded to destroy the agriculture system on the island. The plan was to turn Puerto Ricans(after major depopulation of the island) int worker drones for the factories that US industry was going to open on the island. When this all failed, agriculture destroyed, few factories, attempt to sterilize vast majority of women stopped, the US military government realized they had to do something. Salt cod, Bacalao, was an answer.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2405 of 2926 (903228)
12-06-2022 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2403 by Taq
12-06-2022 12:06 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
This is the thing I have been amazed about from the beginning. His inability to understand the vast difference between asexual and sexual. Maybe he is not familiar with sex in evolution or as a practical matter.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 2429 of 2926 (903321)
12-08-2022 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2421 by Kleinman
12-08-2022 8:40 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
You never know, Jesus works in some mysterious ways.
So not Jewish.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 2495 of 2926 (903488)
12-11-2022 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 2491 by Kleinman
12-11-2022 11:40 AM


You still have no idea how science works. In science everything is tentative. The doctors would be guilty of malpractice and their hippocratic oath if they did not continue to monitor.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2500 of 2926 (903502)
12-12-2022 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 2499 by Kleinman
12-12-2022 8:23 AM


More lies. I never said anything like this. But all you have are lies so this is to be expected.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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