Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."

So you can't call me biased toward the links I post, I'm inviting you to pick your own. You certainly can't claim there are none, since Google finds so many.(I can give you a kindergarten-level lesson in using Google if you want.) So once more you stoop to insulting people you don't know. If I have to choose between a tenured professor's knowledge of thermodynamics and YOUR knowledge of thermodynamics, I'll choose the professor. My question was not about thermodynamics. It's simple math: Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ? I'm going to keep asking until you answer. I think Tanypteryx knows more about it than I do - and even I know more than you do.And I think Tanypteryx understands that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C. Do you? The question is whether or not YOU understand the mathematics. Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ?

ringo:

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I googled it. There doesn't seem to be any shortage of explanations.

Kleinman:

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That's why you post all zero of your links.

ringo:

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So you can't call me biased toward the links I post, I'm inviting you to pick your own. You certainly can't claim there are none, since Google finds so many.
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(I can give you a kindergarten-level lesson in using Google if you want.)

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They are your imaginary links, you post them.

Kleinman:

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He should have read it himself, then he would know something about thermodynamics. You obviously didn't read it.

ringo:

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So once more you stoop to insulting people you don't know. If I have to choose between a tenured professor's knowledge of thermodynamics and YOUR knowledge of thermodynamics, I'll choose the professor.

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Too bad the professor doesn't understand the subject he teaches.

ringo:

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Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ?

Kleinman:

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You have confused the thermodynamics of competition with the thermodynamics of descent with modification.

ringo:

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My question was not about thermodynamics. It's simple math: Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ? I'm going to keep asking until you answer.

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You have confused the thermodynamics of competition with the thermodynamics of descent with modification. You posted your confused statement in response to this:

Kleinman:

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The thermodynamics that applies to competition is pretty simple.

ringo:

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It remains to be seen if anything is simple enough for you to understand.
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Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ?

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That's from Message 2170. Perhaps if someone taught you introductory thermodynamics that understood the subject (that's your cue to say that I don't understand the subject).

Kleinman:

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I'm sure you can make the physics and mathematics clear enough so even Tany can understand it.

ringo:

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I think Tanypteryx knows more about it than I do - and even I know more than you do.
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And I think Tanypteryx understands that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C. Do you?

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That's not saying much since Tany doesn't understand thermodynamics, and neither do you.

Kleinman:

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What if your birds and reptiles don't use the English alphabet?

ringo:

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The question is whether or not YOU understand the mathematics. Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ?

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I don't know what is worse, your silliness or your redundancy.

Do you understand that in the real world this is irrelevant? Do you also understand that unless all actual and potential sources of energy are accounted for and measured in an experiment this is irrelevant?
Please explain what you understand to be usable energy to a population.

Perfect example of your dishonesty as a debater.

Theodoric:

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Do you understand that in the real world this is irrelevant? Do you also understand that unless all actual and potential sources of energy are accounted for and measured in an experiment this is irrelevant?
Please explain what you understand to be usable energy to a population.

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A desert has lots of solar energy but little life compared to a rainforest. The energy has to be in a form that some life form can use. I wonder if he understands that the most fit user of the given energy more effectively uses the environment's energy for sustenance and replication than the less fit users.

Kleinman:

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What if your birds and reptiles don't use the English alphabet?

Theodoic:

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Perfect example of your dishonesty as a debater.

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What if his birds and reptiles spoke Greek or Hebrew? How would they know to go B to C? They might be going β to γ or ב‎ to ג‎. They might get all confused!

Nope you are utterly clueless.

Theodoric:

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Nope you are utterly clueless.

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I wonder if he knows that descent with modification is not a conservative process and is governed by the second law of thermodynamics.

Please explain how it is governed by the 2nd law.

Theodoric:

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Please explain how it is governed by the 2nd law.

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Descent with modification is an entropy-producing process. That's why is can be modeled by a Markov Chain. I explain it in my short paper on the Physics of Darwinian Evolution.
The Physics of Darwinian Evolution
Ask your friend who is an expert thermodynamicist.

But descent with modification is not a closed system.

Theodoric:

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But descent with modification is not a closed system.

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That doesn't matter. Descent with modification is an entropy-producing process and it doesn't matter whether it is an open or closed system.

In order for the 2nd law of thermodynamics to be relevant, it does. The 2nd law of thermodynamics is only relevant to a closed system. You fail. Can you find anyone that supports your assertion? Anyone?

Theodoric:

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In order for the 2nd law of thermodynamics to be relevant, it does. The 2nd law of thermodynamics is only relevant to a closed system. You fail. Can you find anyone that supports your assertion? Anyone?

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You are wrong. The laws of thermodynamics apply in open and closed systems. Ask your expert.

You are an idiot. He agrees.