How can we regulate guns ... ?

Except that, clearly, this is at odds with Coyote's identical proposal.

What evidence do you have that your proposals would work? That they would be anything other than an excessive intrusion into law-abiding citizens' exercise of their Constitutional rights?Are you just spitting out crap that feels good, or do you have some solid proof that these proposals are both effective and non-infringing on citizens' rights?You're advocating for a lot of political action here, so I hope you can prove it will be worth all the effort and costs for enforcement.Jon

The problem, here, is that aside from being relatively well-off, the U.S. and England (or pretty much any other first-world nation) are so socially different from one another that comparing various aspects of societal health (which is what a measure of violent crime is) is only meaningful in so far as demonstrating societal differences regarding that one measure. To look at just one legislative difference (gun restrictions, for example) and to attribute the crime difference to that factor alone is absolutely pointless.It doesn't serve to further our understanding of anything unless a causal link can be established. Without that, we have nothing but coincidental correlation. And that's just not good enough...

See Message 39.

But you haven't even demonstrated that access to guns is a genuine factor, nor that adjusting for this 'factor' will be a worthwhile investment of the nation's time and resources.Are we really going to get out of your regulations all that we're going to have to put into them?

I thought we had gotten over this stupidity about only focusing on 'gun deaths'.Are you still stuck at that level?

What a totally pointless objective.

Can we prevent these things?Aren't they already so super rare? I don't think there are many solutions that could prevent things like mass school shootings; I don't even know if we could reduce their frequency.What I do know is that addressing the issues you've mentioned will most certainly lead to a massive reduction in the amount of general day to day violence (both armed and non-) that our country sees on a regular basis.Random mass shootings aren't really 'part of life'; but gang and drug violence are for many, and so getting rid of the conditions that cause things like gangs and illegal drug dealing will make these forms of violence less a part of life for the people who now find them common.I perhaps don't agree with everything in your post, but it is good that others are pointing out the elephant in the room while some are only trying to figure out where all the piles of shit came from and how to clean them upor catch them as they fall.Jon

The idea of the second amendment isn't arming people to assist the Federal army but arming people to resist the Federal army.No government-controlled army could possibly take the place of an armed citizenry because the armed citizenry is the enemy of the government-controlled army and the government-controlled army is the enemy of the armed citizenry.

As has already been pointed out, the notion that a Constitutional amendment would be required to arm the government-run military forces is absolute unfounded nonsense.

Both of you guys are just hilarious.The illogical twisting you'll use to ignore the plain text interpretation of the Constitution knows apparently no bounds.

Aside from the time while they serve their punishment, I do not believe any felons or other criminals should lose rights because of their status as 'criminals'; in fact, some rights should still be granted to them even while they serve their sentences/punishments (e.g., voting).But what does my opinion matter...?JonEdited by Jon, : quotes for clarity

Or someone who could make money off of it spent a long time thinking up the most expensive techniques for dealing with criminal behavior, and then convinced the governments to go along with it...

But voting is an interaction of a person with his governmentand necessarily so.But purchasing things...? If the thing I'm selling isn't illegal to own, should the government have any input in my selling it to my friend or not?How many other products do you have to 'register to buy'?Jon

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Revelation 13:17 (NRSV):

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... so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.

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Enjoy your Armageddon.