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Message 28 of 955 (686421)
01-01-2013 9:55 AM
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01-01-2013 8:40 AM


Re: the topic is how can we regulate guns ... to reduce gun deaths
What kind of regulations do you think would help reduce mass killing rampages?
None. Sorry but it really is that simple.

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Message 32 of 955 (686425)
01-01-2013 11:37 AM
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01-01-2013 11:03 AM


Re: the topic is how can we regulate guns ... to reduce gun deaths
So you claim.
But regulations simply do not matter to crazy people.
Mass killings are a tragedy, very visible and visceral, but they are the exception and not the norm and overall, a very small number.
If the US was serious about wanting to reduce gun deaths then they would not just decriminalize drugs but nationalize all illicit drugs, give them away for free through neighborhood health clinics funded by redirection of all monies now wasted on the "War on Drugs". We would institute a single payer health care system and cut out all of the insurance except for non-life threatening conditions insurance where people could pay extra to get coverage for elective services.
We would decriminalize assisted suicide so that there were better options than a gun (that would reduce US gun deaths by nearly 50% right away).

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 38 of 955 (686433)
01-01-2013 1:17 PM
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01-01-2013 1:09 PM


Re: the topic is how can we regulate guns ... to reduce gun deaths
Any gun is capable of mass killings. Any knife is capable of mass killings. Any car is capable of mass killings.
Sorry but while mass killings are a tragedy, they are still a real anomaly.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 42 of 955 (686440)
01-01-2013 2:42 PM
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01-01-2013 2:29 PM


Re: the topic is how can we regulate guns ... to reduce gun deaths
I doubt you have a clue what an assault rifle is so that's simply a sign of ignorance.
In the US though we do not highly control driving, in fact even having killed someone with a car is insufficient to stop them from driving.
And as for knives, if I'm withing 15 or 20 feet of you a knife is as great if not a greater threat than a gun.
Guns simply don't cause deaths.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 48 of 955 (686447)
01-01-2013 5:06 PM
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01-01-2013 3:13 PM


Re: the topic is how can we regulate guns ... to reduce gun deaths
Well, I would likely take that bet. The issue is what an assault rifle is. For example, is this an assault rifle?
or maybe this one?
And no, in much of the US there are no driving tests that actually test competency.
And learn to read what you quote. I said "In the US though we do not highly control driving, in fact even having killed someone with a car is insufficient to stop them from driving."
And on the knife, if you are every faced with that choice, that's a bet you would be wiser not to take.
And no, knives and cars do not kill people any more than guns do.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 49 of 955 (686448)
01-01-2013 5:08 PM
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01-01-2013 3:21 PM


Re: the topic is how can we regulate guns ... to reduce gun deaths
But you would agree that guns in general are more efficient at killing than knives, Yes?
No, I would not. That's far to broad an assertion to have any meaning.

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Message 54 of 955 (686453)
01-01-2013 5:38 PM
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01-01-2013 5:36 PM


Re: the topic is how can we regulate guns ... to reduce gun deaths
No, I'm trying to make the point that you do not know what an assault rifle is.

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Message 56 of 955 (686456)
01-01-2013 6:03 PM
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01-01-2013 5:50 PM


Re: the topic is how can we regulate guns ... to reduce gun deaths
So far I haven't seen any "material debate", just a mostly feel good nonsense that will do nothing to address the problem.

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Message 61 of 955 (686461)
01-01-2013 7:16 PM
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01-01-2013 6:38 PM


Re: the topic is how can we regulate guns ... to reduce gun deaths
Except no machine gun was involved or has been involved in any incidents I know of.

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Message 63 of 955 (686463)
01-01-2013 7:17 PM
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01-01-2013 6:42 PM


Re: killing efficiency vs weapon of choice
Oh sheessh, what bullshit.
No one mentioned a machine gun or used a machine gun.

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Message 66 of 955 (686466)
01-01-2013 7:41 PM
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01-01-2013 7:27 PM


Re: killing efficiency vs weapon of choice
No.
I think machine guns are irrelevant to this discussion until they are involved in a situation.
In the US machine guns are already regulated and have not been used in any of the recent mass shootings.
Your inserting machine guns was simply irrelevant.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 68 of 955 (686469)
01-01-2013 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by RAZD
01-01-2013 8:56 PM


Re: killing efficiency vs weapon of choice
Do you agree that there is a range of efficiencies in ability of different weapons to kill people?
I think it is irrelevant and nothing but a way to avoid addressing the problem.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 70 of 955 (686471)
01-01-2013 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by RAZD
01-01-2013 9:06 PM


Guns are not the problem
I have. The problem is US society.
As I said in Message 32:
quote:
Mass killings are a tragedy, very visible and visceral, but they are the exception and not the norm and overall, a very small number.
If the US was serious about wanting to reduce gun deaths then they would not just decriminalize drugs but nationalize all illicit drugs, give them away for free through neighborhood health clinics funded by redirection of all monies now wasted on the "War on Drugs". We would institute a single payer health care system and cut out all of the insurance except for non-life threatening conditions insurance where people could pay extra to get coverage for elective services.
We would decriminalize assisted suicide so that there were better options than a gun (that would reduce US gun deaths by nearly 50% right away).
Guns are irrelevant to the discussion and the problem.
To improve things in addition to the things mentioned above we need to totally revise the US culture; get business out of voting and funding elections and legislation; limit the ownership of media outlets of all kinds; re-institute the China Wall between news and editorial, news and entertainment; restore the regulated monopoly utilities; let local areas legislate Big-Box stores and limit their entry or continuance; invest in mass transit including intercity/interstate mass transport; revise the tax codes to prevent the growth of a monied class; invest in small local business; downsize and localize public schools and involve the neighborhood in the neighborhood school; increase transparency.
Mass shootings like the recent tragedies are just symptoms and we need to treat the cancer not just the symptoms.

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Message 76 of 955 (686483)
01-02-2013 8:27 AM
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01-02-2013 8:01 AM


Re: killing efficiency vs weapon of choice
I have never said that I oppose all gun regulation legislation.
I have said that I do not consider guns to be a problem in the US.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 79 of 955 (686491)
01-02-2013 10:36 AM
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01-02-2013 10:33 AM


Re: killing efficiency vs weapon of choice
Do you oppose an increase in gun legislation?
That would depend on the specific legislation.
Do you support a decrease in gun legislation?
Again, that depends on the specific legislation.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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