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Message 378 of 955 (687366)
01-09-2013 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 375 by Jon
01-09-2013 7:06 PM


Re: Regulation Proposal #1 owner licenses
Care to comment on the topic of the thread, or would you rather do as your comrades have been doing and just continue spewing illogical, irrational, gun-fear nonsense?
When you got nothing you accuse people of being communists. Pitiful.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Message 497 of 955 (687579)
01-13-2013 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 496 by ICANT
01-13-2013 3:39 PM


Re: The case for limiting the number of bullets that can be fired
Ask the people in Cuba the same question after Castro had conficated all their guns.
Really? When?
Cause he missed 545,000 of them.
Guns in Cuba Firearms, gun law and gun control

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Message 500 of 955 (687582)
01-13-2013 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 499 by ICANT
01-13-2013 4:23 PM


Re: The case for limiting the number of bullets that can be fired
You have anecdotes. You do not have facts. Show me some historical source that shows Castro confiscated all guns. Just one.
My evidence was sourced. Yours is, well I guess, just so stories.

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Message 530 of 955 (687631)
01-14-2013 5:44 PM
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01-14-2013 5:29 PM


Re: the right to bear arms == 2 simple action guns ...
So who is the militia supposed to protect us from?

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Message 535 of 955 (687636)
01-14-2013 5:54 PM
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01-14-2013 5:48 PM


Re: the right to bear arms == 2 simple action guns ...
What is the purpose of a militia?

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 537 of 955 (687638)
01-14-2013 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 536 by Jon
01-14-2013 5:55 PM


Re: the right to bear arms == 2 simple action guns ...
The Founding Fathers, and their 'intent' is completely irrelevant.
So the courts can make the words mean anything they want? Kinda like the bible?

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Message 542 of 955 (687650)
01-14-2013 10:16 PM
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01-14-2013 9:03 PM


Re: the right to bear arms == 2 simple action guns ...
Or are you not capable of understanding things on your own?
OOOOO!!! Passive aggressive personal attack. Scary.
Fortunately, we are all not allowed to decide what the Constitution means on our own. You see the US Constitution has a provision for that. It is the Judicial Branch.
Have you read the US Constitution?

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Message 543 of 955 (687651)
01-14-2013 10:18 PM
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01-14-2013 9:04 PM


Re: the right to bear arms == 2 simple action guns ...
As I already pointed out to RAZD, cartoons aren't an argument.
He made an argument with words.
Or are you incapable of understanding it?
Why bother posting a response if you are not going to address the post?

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Message 552 of 955 (687673)
01-15-2013 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 545 by Jon
01-14-2013 11:56 PM


Re: Back on Track
Majority of Americans support some form of gun control.
Here are 5 proposals that make sense to a lot of Americans according to the above poll. They also have the support of a lot of gun owners.
1. Universal background checks.
Supported by 86% of gun owners polled.
2. Background checks for ammunition purchasing.
Supported by 67% of gun owners polled.
3. Ban on extended magazines.
Supported by 55% of gun owners polled.
4. Gun database.
Supported by 62%
5. Assault weapons ban.
Supported by 45% of gun owners polled and 58% of people polled.
I am a gun owner and have been quite immersed in the gun culture for many years. Talking with family and friends I can say that my general impressions are that this is sorta kinda where people I know are falling out on the issue.
There is a desire for more gun control among gun owners I know. There are also the dead enders like that asshole from Kentucky. Guys like that are helping drive this nation toward substantive gun control.
So here you go dissect.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.
Edited by Theodoric, : EVC acting odd

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 560 of 955 (687683)
01-15-2013 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 558 by Taq
01-15-2013 11:08 AM


Re: Back on Track
Most of them are in favor.
Please realize that the gun owners I associate with now are not the own a gun for guns sake and to prove my manhood type of gun owners. For the most part. I do know a couple end of worlders that feel any regulation is bad, but they are a small minority. These are guys that are hoping for a zombie apocalypse cuz they think it would be cool.
Little do they realize they would last 5 mins even with their vaunted weapons. After they pissed and shat themselves
Most of us are hunters and target shooters. No more, no less.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 564 of 955 (687700)
01-15-2013 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 563 by NoNukes
01-15-2013 1:36 PM


Re: It may already be impossible to regulate guns...
How are you going to regulate guns and clips if anyone can print them out.
We regulate lots of things people can acquire.
Since we cannot stop people from producing child porn, then we should not regulate it?
What do we do to people in possession of child porn? People seem to feel if we do not have some sort of miracle fix then we should do nothing.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 568 of 955 (687706)
01-15-2013 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by New Cat's Eye
01-15-2013 2:30 PM


Re: It may already be impossible to regulate guns...
Your argument is ridiculous and vapid.
You are stating that because their is illegal file sharing we cannot control guns? Excuse me but that argument is asinine.
Control starts with regulation. If there is no regulation of guns then there can be no control.
As I stated before people like you seem to think that if there is no miraculous control there is no reason to even attempt anything.
Yes people will do many things to get around any control measures put in place. There is a flip side to that. That is the consequences for breaking those laws. Enforcement is the other side of regulation.
If we make possession of a printed gun magazine a crime then law enforcement will have recourse.
So for pirated music, its been regulated in the sense that there's laws about it, but its not been regulated in the sense that its controlled. You can't control it because its so easy to make and acquire.
It is very difficult to tell if someone is listening to pirated music. In order to determine if a person has pirated file on their computer a warrant would be required. Guns when they are used are very loud and obvious. A magazine larger than 10 shots can be seen to be a large magazine. There is no way that these two things can be even remotely compared.
But I guess since people could possibly, conceivably, in some future circumstance produce a magazine that holds 20 rounds in their own homes, we should do nothing to control guns.
Aren't you embarrassed by these arguments?

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Theodoric
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Message 570 of 955 (687708)
01-15-2013 3:01 PM
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01-15-2013 2:53 PM


Re: It may already be impossible to regulate guns...
Then what is the purpose of your comments about pirated music? I mean there must have been a reason for you to use that as an argument against gun control.
Otherwise the why would you even mention it?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 574 of 955 (687713)
01-15-2013 3:53 PM
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01-15-2013 3:13 PM


Regulating and controlling starts with regulations
So you ARE equating laws against people pirating music to laws controlling guns.
Thanks that is what I thought you were doing.
Maybe you should read what I post not what you want it to say.
There was no equivocation on my part solely lack of wanting to understand on your part.
If you want don't want to address what I post then please do not respond.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 581 of 955 (687723)
01-15-2013 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 580 by Rahvin
01-15-2013 7:21 PM


Red Herring
This whole argument is just a red herring.
It has absolutely nothing to do with what or whether there should be more gun controls in the USA .
Why have speed limits? We have cars that can go in excess of the speed limits so there is no reason to have speed limits. Also, we can't stop everyone from speeding, so fuck it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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