How can we regulate guns ... ?

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I was responding to a mention of the founders' viewpoint, specifically something Madison said perhaps, you know, something that was in context.But I've got to say that the attitude toward the founders here is maybe the scariest thing I've ever run across, a recipe for absolute ruin of the country. He who forgets history is condemned to repeat it. Oh well I've been expecting it for some time. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The founders are NOT "just as fallible as we are" if by "we" you mean the posters on this forum who are a bunch of complete ignoramuses by comparison. The founders were steeped in history and their documents were meant to embody the wisdom learned from that history. We here are all a bunch of naive ignoramuses by comparison who have never learned a hundredth of the lessons of hstory they applied to their writings.Yes they included METHODS for changing it, but your attitude is that nothing they did is of any value anyway so why not just ignore it altogether, why bother following their rules at all, we're all so much wiser than they were.

Actually I do recognize that the main founders were not Christian, and I like a lot of what Jefferson said even though he was antiChristian, along with Paine and Adams and to some extent Franklin and Washington. We WERE a Christian nation nevertheless, the vast majority of the founding generation were Christian and certainly the population as a whole. I've come to regard the big name founders asa traitors to that essential tradition. But now this IS off topic. Do try to confine your remarks to the topic and refrain from your misrepresentations of my position.

After all that posturing of Obama with children from Sandy Hook, as if he the biggest defender of the most horrific forms of abortion ever cares one iota about children, I have to ask what in any of those Second-Amendment-hating measures he proposed would have done one thing to prevent the slaughter at that school? Not one.And did you know that his own children go to a school that is protected by ARMED GUARDS? Why didn't he propose THAT for the rest of America's children? And has anybody noticed that he himself is protected by a huge number of armed bodyguards himself? Yet he tells US we'll be safer without guns? The hypocrisy here is disgusting.

Oh yeah, RAZD, and thanks for that ugly vicious lying piece of slander.

Why is everybody screaming about the threat to our schools as the REASON for this idiotic attack on the Second Amendment if the threat is not real?What a BUNCH of hypocrites you all are. We're being set up by liars to be DEPRIVED of the ONLY means that COULD protect our schools, so that ultimately we'll be deprived of anything that could protect us from the government and other forms of armed thuggery.Again, NOTHING in Obama's designs against the Second Amendment would have protected Sandy Hook! What devious lies you guys are supporting. Again, nothing will protect other schools in those measures. And why SHOULDN'T we all have the protection of guns since it's VERY clear from the fact that Obama has it and his children have it? What do the different CIRCUMSTANCES have to do with it? A threat is a threat.The regulations will do NOTHING to protect against the murders that are his excuse for them. NOTHING. But GUNS WOULD! As his own method of protection makes VERY clear.Anybody who defends this devious excuse for depriving Americans of means of self defense is WORSE than a hypocrite. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The vast vast majority of gun owners in this country are responsible law-abiding citizens. Tens of millions. My father and brothers are/were (father and one brother are dead) among them.But you focus on the fringe, the nuts and the addlebrained as your excuse to deprive the VAST VAST MAJORITY OF GOOD PEOPLE OF THEIR MEANS OF SELF DEFENSE. What kind of sense does that make?At least make the regulations relevant to the causes, but most of them do nothing to deal with the causes.Obama's measures do NOTHING to prevent the kind of incident that is the supposed reason for all this attack on the Second Amendment. What WOULD protect schools is ARMED GUARDS OR ARMED CITIZENS. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I agree for the most part, but I do think it wouldn't be a bad idea if some teachers decided to qualify for concealed carry permits. It's been done in some schools in Utah.But the main point here is that restricting gun rights WON'T accomplish anything to protect children which is what the excuse for doing this is supposed to be.

All I can say is good for the NRA, good that there is some entity out there that has some influence in keeping these insane politicians from killing the Second Amendment. But the slander in your cartoon was the implication that anybody wants to defend crazy murderers. I don't and nobody I know does.

It didn't hurt, did it? But remove any such form of protection and then you can be SURE murderers will succeed at their mission. Which is exactly what you're going to accomplish with your methods.

OK, I'll answer this rank stupidity AGAIN.Either the reason for all this furor about restricting guns is about a REAL THREAT TO OUR SCHOOLS or it is not. Just as there ia a real threat to the family of a sitting President. If it is not, if there is no real threat, then shut up about guns.If it is then obviously the way you deal with a real threat is WITH ARMED DEFENSE. Same as the threat to the family of a sitting President is dealt with.IF OBAMA REALLY BELIEVES THAT TAKING AWAY GUNS IS THE SOLUTION TO REAL THREATS ON PEOPLE'S LIVES, LET THAT BECOME LAW AND LET OBAMA GIVE UP HIS ARMED GUARDS.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Aw, it didn't work in those cases. In TWO cases the armed defenders weren't where they were needed when they were needed. But that's another reason to restrict the gun rights of millions of law-abiding citizens?.You want to treat the real problem you say. Well THAT is not the general ownership of guns by millions of Americans. Tell you what, RAZD, none of the gun control measures are going to stop these murders EITHER.Wait and see how long it is before another such incident occurs after all Obama's measures are in place. And what will happen? MORE outcry against GUNS. Which are NOT the problem.There is evidence that psychiatric drugs have been involved in just about all of these cases. Why isn't THIS targeted instead of guns? Why not strengthen laws having to do with qualifications to possess guns rather than attack EVERYBODY's rights?The fact that these terrible incidents are ALWAYS the excuse for tightening laws against guns for MILLIONS OF GOOD GUYS while they do NOT EVER EVER EVER improve the situation that brought abhout the incidents in the first place is just about the DEFINITION OF INSANITY ITSELF.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Oh for crying out loud. You'd worry about a grass roots organization when it's the government the amendment was intended to fend off.

Yes you ARE annoying some of us with your irrational beliefs and silly positions. Your arguments here are really really silly.Jon did not say nothing should be done, he said LEGISLATION would not be the right response.And I agree with him about that although I might disagree with him about what measures should be taken.Legislation aimed at limiting the gun rights of millions of law-abiding citizens is NOT a reasonable solution to a very rare situation caused by crazies. How absolutely irrational and silly can you get?I still favor the idea of teachers qualifying for concealed carry permits, but I'm also in favor of armed guards, I just don't think they would be as effective as a few staff carrying guns. This doesn't involve legislation.But if you ARE going to consider legislation then it should be about who qualifies to carry a gun.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.