Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."

Cite the paper.

I hope you're copy-pasting that and not typing it out every time you say it. What is it now, a thousand times in this thread?If nothing else, you're demonstrating that you're a one-trick pony. Too bad it isn't much of a trick.

Since your results are bogus that should be easy to do. Just pull it out your butt. No you haven't. Your publishing anything is a lie. You bought those submissions.

No one is citing this paper because it's nonsense. No one gives a shit because they all know you are a bullshit peddler and a science want-to-be.

Kleinman:

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You have no idea what viruses do to cells.

ringo:

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There is a survival advantage for a virus to not harm its host too much. Kill your host and you die. Steal a crumb now and then and you live to reproduce. (Covid seems to be evolving something like that.)

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And you tell us this with all your vast experience treating viral infections. All those koalas should know better, the virus only wants a crumb.

Kleinman:

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... and how 200k infections by retroviruses have no effect on a germline.

AZPaul3:

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That is not an issue here. That is your strawman whipping post. It isn't real.
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Kleinman will now tell us how his priests moan and groan as he enters the confessional.

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Tell that to the immune-compromised koalas in Taq's example. Of course, nothing is at issue when it comes to your dreams. I hope you like it dry, real dry.

Kleinman:

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So explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski experiments and how 200k infections by retroviruses have no effect on a germline.

ringo:

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That has been explained to you many times.

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It wasn't explained by you, and it wasn't explained by Taq (he's too busy doing imaginary problems), and it certainly wasn't done by that nitwit Tany who was out chasing bugs. You are making it up as usual.

Kleinman:

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That is if you can take away the time from your dreaming.

ringo:

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I have two hours of computer time every day. That's plenty of time to deal with you.

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It's plenty of time for you to go off half-cocked.

Theodoric:

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Cite the paper.

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You are so slow, it is pathetic. For the slow ones.
For a single selection pressure which applies to the Kishony and Lenski experiments;
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
For two or more simultaneous selection pressures which applies to combination therapy for treating HIV, combination therapy for Malaria,...;
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
And the mathematics of recombination which explains why recombination does not cause the defeat of combination therapy for HIV;
Random recombination and evolution of drug resistance
You are slow as molasses on a cold day.

Kleinman:

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Yeah right, tell us why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski experiments, and explain how 200k infections with retroviruses don't affect a germline.

ringo:

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I hope you're copy-pasting that and not typing it out every time you say it. What is it now, a thousand times in this thread?
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If nothing else, you're demonstrating that you're a one-trick pony. Too bad it isn't much of a trick.

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It's better than any trick you have because these are real cases.

You seem to view viruses as some evil demonic thing that just wants to go around destroying everything in its path.I'm saying that there IS a survival advantage in doing minimal harm. Anybody can see that. That's why your pal Putin doesn't start flinging nukes around: doing too much damage will get you killed. It isn't what they know; it's what their immune systems do.If the viruses do make koalas go extinct, that's bad for the viruses.

Kleinman:

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I don't have any problem writing out the physics and mathematics of biological evolution including the explanations of the Kishony and Lenski experiments and why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation.

APaul3:

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Since your results are bogus that should be easy to do. Just pull it out your butt.

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They are real examples of biological evolution, not some made up model that like Taq likes to do. You are just too stupid to understand them. Take a course in introductory probability theory and pass it if you can which isn't likely.

Kleinman:

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And I've published the mathematics of recombination ...

APaul3:

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No you haven't. Your publishing anything is a lie. You bought those submissions.

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There you go again, being stupid. I didn't pay a cent for the publication on recombination. I did pay the open source fee for the papers on random mutation but so does everyone else. I hope you like it dry, real dry.

What's the point in me repeating what has already been said? Kishoni, Lenski, Desai.You imply that I don't understand what has been explained several times. Kishoni, Lenski, Desai.I don't care whether or not you believe I undestand. Kishoni, Lenski, Desai.

But it's still only one trick. Kishony, Lenski, Desai.

Kleinman:

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Why would a bug chaser like you cite this paper, it is a scientific paper that explains the Kishony and Lenski experiments.

Tanypteryx:

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No one is citing this paper because it's nonsense.

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Once again the bug chaser is wrong (no surprise). Who else explains how antimicrobial drug resistance evolves, it certainly isn't the bug chaser.

Kleinman:

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No one else can explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation, especially a nitwit like you.

Tanypteryx:

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No one gives a shit because they all know you are a bullshit peddler and a science want-to-be.

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That's why biologists have failed to explain how drug resistance evolves. They have the same stupid mentality as the bug chaser (that also doesn't know how drug resistance evolves). Good job bug chaser, you have killed a lot of people with drug resistant infections, you moron.

Vanity press, paid submissions. Note the citations are all by Kleinman himself.It has all been judged bogus by his peers.Go home now, citizens. No real math or science to see here.