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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Kleinman
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Message 1726 of 2932 (901876)
11-15-2022 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1716 by Taq
11-15-2022 10:45 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
That's interesting, but why should Taq read it, it doesn't fit his narrative.
Taq:
I have read it, many times. It lies about the number of shared ERV's between humans and chimps and about several other characteristics of ERV's. I can talk about the other lies if you like.

Yeah, hundreds of thousands of viruses invade a germ cell but then do nothing. You really have some cooperative viruses.

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Kleinman
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Message 1727 of 2932 (901877)
11-15-2022 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1718 by ringo
11-15-2022 11:25 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
ringo doesn't need anything but to believe incorrectly.
ringo:
I don't need belief. I have science.

You dream about it.

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Taq
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Message 1728 of 2932 (901878)
11-15-2022 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1722 by Kleinman
11-15-2022 12:59 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
You believe that a germ cell can be invaded hundreds of thousands of times by viruses and it has zero effect on the cell.
We can observe that very thing happening in the koala population in real time. It is a fact.
You have no idea what a virus does to a cell.
I'm an author on peer reviewed papers on viruses.
And tell us how smart virologists are after the Covid episode.
Very smart.

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Taq
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Message 1729 of 2932 (901879)
11-15-2022 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1721 by Kleinman
11-15-2022 12:58 PM


Re: Production of ERV's in Real Time
Kleinman writes:
Yeah, you see hundreds of thousands of viruses invading the germ cell line.
You only need accumulation of single insertions over time.

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Taq
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Message 1730 of 2932 (901880)
11-15-2022 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1719 by Kleinman
11-15-2022 12:56 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
If you don't agree with the results, it is disinformation.
The number of shared ERV insertions is a fact. The author at ENV lies about those facts.

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Kleinman
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Message 1731 of 2932 (901881)
11-15-2022 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1720 by Dredge
11-15-2022 12:57 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
ringo:
science doesn't deal in proof.
​
Of course UCD IS a fact.
Dredge:
You appear to be contradicting yourself - you're saying UCD is a fact that can't be proven.
​
Fascinating.

ringo doesn't need proof, ringo has science, taught to him by Tany the bug chaser, master of all science.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
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Message 1732 of 2932 (901882)
11-15-2022 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1728 by Taq
11-15-2022 1:04 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
You believe that a germ cell can be invaded hundreds of thousands of times by viruses and it has zero effect on the cell.
Taq:
We can observe that very thing happening in the koala population in real time. It is a fact.

Hundreds of thousands of viruses invade a germ cell and not one of them is active.
Kleinman:
You have no idea what a virus does to a cell.
Taq:
I'm an author on peer reviewed papers on viruses.

And not one of those viruses cause harm to the cell it invades. You are so smart.
Kleinman:
And tell us how smart virologists are after the Covid episode.
Taq:
Very smart.

That's why they were so successful in treating that virus that they created and that was totally unsuccessful. So you are the stupid ass that caused this problem.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1733 of 2932 (901883)
11-15-2022 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1731 by Kleinman
11-15-2022 1:08 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
More flailing from Kleinman the Bullshit Peddler.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Taq
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Message 1734 of 2932 (901884)
11-15-2022 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1732 by Kleinman
11-15-2022 1:16 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
Hundreds of thousands of viruses invade a germ cell and not one of them is active.
That's correct.
And not one of those viruses cause harm to the cell it invades.
You have 200,000 of those insertions in your genome right now.
That's why they were so successful in treating that virus that they created and that was totally unsuccessful.
Exactly. Vaccines have proven very successful in reducing mortality and morbidity. New treatments have also been very helpful.

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Kleinman
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From: United States
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Message 1735 of 2932 (901886)
11-15-2022 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1729 by Taq
11-15-2022 1:05 PM


Re: Production of ERV's in Real Time
Kleinman:
Yeah, you see hundreds of thousands of viruses invading the germ cell line.
Taq:
You only need accumulation of single insertions over time.

And none of these hundreds of thousands do any harm to the cell. Taq you have done quite enough.

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Kleinman
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Message 1736 of 2932 (901887)
11-15-2022 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1733 by Tanypteryx
11-15-2022 1:18 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Tanypterys:
More flailing from Kleinman the Bullshit Peddler.
The bug chaser contributes his wit and wisdom. Too bad he doesn't know how descent with modification and recombination works.

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Kleinman
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From: United States
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Message 1737 of 2932 (901888)
11-15-2022 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1734 by Taq
11-15-2022 1:18 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
Hundreds of thousands of viruses invade a germ cell and not one of them is active.
Taq:
That's correct.

This guy claims to be an expert on viruses. He really has done a job on society with Covid. What a jerk.

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Taq
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Message 1738 of 2932 (901889)
11-15-2022 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1737 by Kleinman
11-15-2022 1:24 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
This guy claims to be an expert on viruses.
Which of the 200,000 endogenized retroviruses in your genome are active?

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1739 of 2932 (901890)
11-15-2022 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1736 by Kleinman
11-15-2022 1:21 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman the Bullshitter writes:
Too bad he doesn't know how descent with modification and recombination works.
Too bad you have shown us you don't know how descent with modification and recombination works. You still think Gypsies create the fossils and you have no clue how retroviruses work.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 1740 of 2932 (901891)
11-15-2022 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1738 by Taq
11-15-2022 1:25 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
This guy claims to be an expert on viruses.
Taq:
Which of the 200,000 endogenized retroviruses in your genome are active?

You've really done quite enough with Covid. We don't need experts on viruses like you. You have done enough damage.

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