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Author | Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Cite the paper.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
I hope you're copy-pasting that and not typing it out every time you say it. What is it now, a thousand times in this thread? Yeah right, tell us why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski experiments, and explain how 200k infections with retroviruses don't affect a germline. If nothing else, you're demonstrating that you're a one-trick pony. Too bad it isn't much of a trick.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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I don't have any problem writing out the physics and mathematics of biological evolution including the explanations of the Kishony and Lenski experiments and why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation. Since your results are bogus that should be easy to do. Just pull it out your butt.
And I've published the mathematics of recombination ... No you haven't. Your publishing anything is a lie. You bought those submissions.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Kleinman the Bullshitter writes: Why would a bug chaser like you cite this paper, it is a scientific paper that explains the Kishony and Lenski experiments. No one is citing this paper because it's nonsense.
Kleinman the Bullshitter writes: No one else can explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation, especially a nitwit like you. No one gives a shit because they all know you are a bullshit peddler and a science want-to-be.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:And you tell us this with all your vast experience treating viral infections. All those koalas should know better, the virus only wants a crumb.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Tell that to the immune-compromised koalas in Taq's example. Of course, nothing is at issue when it comes to your dreams. I hope you like it dry, real dry.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:It wasn't explained by you, and it wasn't explained by Taq (he's too busy doing imaginary problems), and it certainly wasn't done by that nitwit Tany who was out chasing bugs. You are making it up as usual. Kleinman:It's plenty of time for you to go off half-cocked.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:You are so slow, it is pathetic. For the slow ones. For a single selection pressure which applies to the Kishony and Lenski experiments; The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection For two or more simultaneous selection pressures which applies to combination therapy for treating HIV, combination therapy for Malaria,...; The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance And the mathematics of recombination which explains why recombination does not cause the defeat of combination therapy for HIV; Random recombination and evolution of drug resistance You are slow as molasses on a cold day.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:It's better than any trick you have because these are real cases.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
You seem to view viruses as some evil demonic thing that just wants to go around destroying everything in its path. And you tell us this with all your vast experience treating viral infections. I'm saying that there IS a survival advantage in doing minimal harm. Anybody can see that. That's why your pal Putin doesn't start flinging nukes around: doing too much damage will get you killed.
Kleinman writes:
It isn't what they know; it's what their immune systems do. All those koalas should know better, the virus only wants a crumb. If the viruses do make koalas go extinct, that's bad for the viruses.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:They are real examples of biological evolution, not some made up model that like Taq likes to do. You are just too stupid to understand them. Take a course in introductory probability theory and pass it if you can which isn't likely. Kleinman:There you go again, being stupid. I didn't pay a cent for the publication on recombination. I did pay the open source fee for the papers on random mutation but so does everyone else. I hope you like it dry, real dry.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
What's the point in me repeating what has already been said? Kishoni, Lenski, Desai. ringo writes:
It wasn't explained by you... That has been explained to you many times. You imply that I don't understand what has been explained several times. Kishoni, Lenski, Desai. I don't care whether or not you believe I undestand. Kishoni, Lenski, Desai.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
But it's still only one trick. Kishony, Lenski, Desai. It's better than any trick you have because these are real cases.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Once again the bug chaser is wrong (no surprise). Who else explains how antimicrobial drug resistance evolves, it certainly isn't the bug chaser. Kleinman:That's why biologists have failed to explain how drug resistance evolves. They have the same stupid mentality as the bug chaser (that also doesn't know how drug resistance evolves). Good job bug chaser, you have killed a lot of people with drug resistant infections, you moron.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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blah, blah, blah list of his bogus papers Vanity press, paid submissions. Note the citations are all by Kleinman himself. It has all been judged bogus by his peers. Go home now, citizens. No real math or science to see here.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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