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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Kleinman
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Message 1705 of 2932 (901850)
11-15-2022 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1701 by AZPaul3
11-14-2022 8:48 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Dredge:
The following article is a bit old (2011) ...
AZPaul3:
A religious rag? That's not a science article. That is a charlatan site. Rejected.

Dr. Jonathan McLatchie holds a Bachelor's degree in Forensic Biology from the University of Strathclyde, a Masters (M.Res) degree in Evolutionary Biology from the University of Glasgow, a second Master's degree in Medical and Molecular Bioscience from Newcastle University, and a PhD in Evolutionary Biology from Newcastle University. Currently, Jonathan is an assistant professor of biology at Sattler College in Boston, Massachusetts.
Since AZPaul3 is more knowledgeable than Jonathan McLatchie, AZPaul3 will now give a mathematical description of descent with modification and recombination. He won't because he is a bubblehead.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 1706 of 2932 (901851)
11-15-2022 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1702 by AZPaul3
11-15-2022 12:06 AM


Re: Addition Rule Confusion
Kleinman:
Obviously, AZPaul3 is a Kari Lake supporter.
AZPaul3:
Just to emphasize the point - Lake, your Nazi bitch, lost.

Katie Hobbs Tops Kari Lake for Arizona Governor - The New York Times

I hope you are happy with a dried up Lake Mead because California will keep on dumping Sierra Nevada runoff into the ocean while taking water from the Rocky Mountain runoff (the Colorado River). I hope you like it dry, real dry.

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Kleinman
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Message 1708 of 2932 (901854)
11-15-2022 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1707 by vimesey
11-15-2022 8:42 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
vimesey:
This is an extract from Sattler College's website:
quote:
The modern higher education system is broken. Modern education is hostile to faith, too expensive, and academically weak. We need nothing short of a revolution. Sattler College was founded upon the biblical vision of Christian discipleship that addresses the mind, soul, and heart. Our mission is to provide an education that instructs the mind, discipleship that shapes the soul, and inspiration that inflames the heart. Our goal is to enable graduates to heartily say, “For God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power, love, and a sound mind” (2 Timothy 1:7).
vimsey:
Nuff said.


If that's "nuff said", why do today's college students have huge debts? And why doesn't Taq know how to use the addition rule? And why don't biologists understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution? vimsey doesn't know when there has been nuff.

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Kleinman
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Message 1710 of 2932 (901856)
11-15-2022 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1709 by AZPaul3
11-15-2022 9:58 AM


Re: Addition Rule Confusion
AZPaul3:
Meaningless deflection.

That's a foregone conclusion. Your Nazi girlfriend cannot stop it.
Who is going to stop California from taking all of your water? I hope you like it dry, real dry.

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Kleinman
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Message 1719 of 2932 (901869)
11-15-2022 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1711 by Taq
11-15-2022 10:37 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Dredge:
The following article is a bit old (2011), but I thought you might find it interesting nevertheless:

Do Shared ERVs Support Common Ancestry? – Evolution News
Taq:
That article is a great example of the disinformation found on creationist sites.

If you don't agree with the results, it is disinformation. That's why you can't do the mathematics of descent with modification and recombination. You are mathematically incompetent.

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Kleinman
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Message 1721 of 2932 (901871)
11-15-2022 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1712 by Taq
11-15-2022 10:39 AM


Re: Production of ERV's in Real Time
Kleinman:
What's the probability of a germ line cell being infected hundreds of thousands of times and there not being damage to that cell?
Taq:
Again, we can see this happening in real time in the koala population. They carry ERV's from an active and circulating retrovirus. So the probability is 100%, because it happened. We have the evidence that it happened in the form of ERV's.

Yeah, you see hundreds of thousands of viruses invading the germ cell line. You are an idiot.

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Kleinman
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Message 1722 of 2932 (901872)
11-15-2022 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1713 by Taq
11-15-2022 10:41 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
Since AZPaul3 is more knowledgeable than Jonathan McLatchie, AZPaul3 will now give a mathematical description of descent with modification and recombination. He won't because he is a bubblehead.
Taq:
McLatchie claims that there are less than a dozen shared ERV's between humans and chimps. That's an outright lie. I have even personally notified personnel at the Discovery Institute of this issue and received their acknowledgement that it the article is wrong, and the lie is still on their website.

You believe that a germ cell can be invaded hundreds of thousands of times by viruses and it has zero effect on the cell. That's really smart on your part, if only it was true. You have no idea what a virus does to a cell. And tell us how smart virologists are after the Covid episode.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 1723 of 2932 (901873)
11-15-2022 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1714 by AZPaul3
11-15-2022 10:41 AM


Re: Addition Rule Confusion
Kleinman:
Who is going to stop California from taking all of your water?
AZPaul3:
Not your Nazi repugnicans, that's for sure.

Who needs republicans, we have democrats to dry you out, drier than a bone. I hope you like it dry, really dry.

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Kleinman
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Message 1724 of 2932 (901874)
11-15-2022 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1715 by Taq
11-15-2022 10:43 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
And why doesn't Taq know how to use the addition rule?
Taq:
I used it right here.

Taq is really learning, if only he does real problems.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 1726 of 2932 (901876)
11-15-2022 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1716 by Taq
11-15-2022 10:45 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
That's interesting, but why should Taq read it, it doesn't fit his narrative.
Taq:
I have read it, many times. It lies about the number of shared ERV's between humans and chimps and about several other characteristics of ERV's. I can talk about the other lies if you like.

Yeah, hundreds of thousands of viruses invade a germ cell but then do nothing. You really have some cooperative viruses.

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Kleinman
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Message 1727 of 2932 (901877)
11-15-2022 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1718 by ringo
11-15-2022 11:25 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
ringo doesn't need anything but to believe incorrectly.
ringo:
I don't need belief. I have science.

You dream about it.

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Kleinman
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Message 1731 of 2932 (901881)
11-15-2022 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1720 by Dredge
11-15-2022 12:57 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
ringo:
science doesn't deal in proof.

Of course UCD IS a fact.
Dredge:
You appear to be contradicting yourself - you're saying UCD is a fact that can't be proven.

Fascinating.

ringo doesn't need proof, ringo has science, taught to him by Tany the bug chaser, master of all science.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 1732 of 2932 (901882)
11-15-2022 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1728 by Taq
11-15-2022 1:04 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
You believe that a germ cell can be invaded hundreds of thousands of times by viruses and it has zero effect on the cell.
Taq:
We can observe that very thing happening in the koala population in real time. It is a fact.

Hundreds of thousands of viruses invade a germ cell and not one of them is active.
Kleinman:
You have no idea what a virus does to a cell.
Taq:
I'm an author on peer reviewed papers on viruses.

And not one of those viruses cause harm to the cell it invades. You are so smart.
Kleinman:
And tell us how smart virologists are after the Covid episode.
Taq:
Very smart.

That's why they were so successful in treating that virus that they created and that was totally unsuccessful. So you are the stupid ass that caused this problem.

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 365 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 1735 of 2932 (901886)
11-15-2022 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1729 by Taq
11-15-2022 1:05 PM


Re: Production of ERV's in Real Time
Kleinman:
Yeah, you see hundreds of thousands of viruses invading the germ cell line.
Taq:
You only need accumulation of single insertions over time.

And none of these hundreds of thousands do any harm to the cell. Taq you have done quite enough.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
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Message 1736 of 2932 (901887)
11-15-2022 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1733 by Tanypteryx
11-15-2022 1:18 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Tanypterys:
More flailing from Kleinman the Bullshit Peddler.
The bug chaser contributes his wit and wisdom. Too bad he doesn't know how descent with modification and recombination works.

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