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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Kleinman
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Message 1696 of 2926 (901837)
11-14-2022 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1693 by Taq
11-14-2022 6:19 PM


Re: Production of ERV's in Real Time
Kleinman:
Have you ever seen a child whose mother caught a viral disease early in her pregnancy? It destroys the stem cell.
Taq:
We can observe ERV's in the koala genome that is inherited as an ERV, and it is the same sequence as that found in the circulating retrovirus that is currently infecting koalas. We can see it in action. If what you say is true, then these observations would not be possible, and yet there they are.

You have never seen a child whose mother caught a viral disease early in her pregnancy. You have no idea what happens to that child.

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Taq
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Message 1697 of 2926 (901838)
11-14-2022 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1696 by Kleinman
11-14-2022 6:23 PM


Re: Production of ERV's in Real Time
Kleinman writes:
You have never seen a child whose mother caught a viral disease early in her pregnancy. You have no idea what happens to that child.
Does every single child in this situation die? No.
You have never offered a scintilla of evidence demonstrating that the insertion of viral sequence into a germline cell results in the loss of the fetus in every single case.

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Kleinman
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Message 1698 of 2926 (901839)
11-14-2022 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1697 by Taq
11-14-2022 6:25 PM


Re: Production of ERV's in Real Time
Kleinman:
You have never seen a child whose mother caught a viral disease early in her pregnancy. You have no idea what happens to that child.
Taq:
Does every single child in this situation die? No.

You have never offered a scintilla of evidence demonstrating that the insertion of viral sequence into a germline cell results in the loss of the fetus in every single case.

The birth defects are horrendous and that is from a single viral infection. Now you want to claim there are hundreds of thousands of viral infections and they are all inactivated. This is stupid to no end. These may superficially look like viral sequences but they are something else.

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Taq
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Message 1699 of 2926 (901840)
11-14-2022 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1698 by Kleinman
11-14-2022 6:35 PM


Re: Production of ERV's in Real Time
Kleinman writes:
The birth defects are horrendous and that is from a single viral infection. Now you want to claim there are hundreds of thousands of viral infections and they are all inactivated. This is stupid to no end. These may superficially look like viral sequences but they are something else.
You have never offered a scintilla of evidence demonstrating that the insertion of viral sequence into a germline cell results in the loss of the fetus in every single case.

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Dredge
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Message 1700 of 2926 (901843)
11-14-2022 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1695 by Taq
11-14-2022 6:23 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
The following article is a bit old (2011), but I thought you might find it interesting nevertheless:
Do Shared ERVs Support Common Ancestry? – Evolution News

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AZPaul3
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Message 1701 of 2926 (901844)
11-14-2022 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1700 by Dredge
11-14-2022 8:41 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
The following article is a bit old (2011) ...
A religious rag? That's not a science article. That is a charlatan site. Rejected.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 1702 of 2926 (901845)
11-15-2022 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1023 by Kleinman
10-29-2022 11:31 AM


Re: Addition Rule Confusion
Obviously, AZPaul3 is a Kari Lake supporter.
Just to emphasize the point - Lake, your Nazi bitch, lost.
Katie Hobbs Tops Kari Lake for Arizona Governor - The New York Times

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Message 1703 of 2926 (901848)
11-15-2022 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1699 by Taq
11-14-2022 6:36 PM


Re: Production of ERV's in Real Time
Kleinman:
The birth defects are horrendous and that is from a single viral infection. Now you want to claim there are hundreds of thousands of viral infections and they are all inactivated. This is stupid to no end. These may superficially look like viral sequences but they are something else.
Taq:
You have never offered a scintilla of evidence demonstrating that the insertion of viral sequence into a germline cell results in the loss of the fetus in every single case.

What's the probability of a germ line cell being infected hundreds of thousands of times and there not being damage to that cell? This is the kind of nonsense you have fallen for.

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Kleinman
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Message 1704 of 2926 (901849)
11-15-2022 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1700 by Dredge
11-14-2022 8:41 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Dredge:
The following article is a bit old (2011), but I thought you might find it interesting nevertheless:

Do Shared ERVs Support Common Ancestry? – Evolution News
That's interesting, but why should Taq read it, it doesn't fit his narrative.

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Kleinman
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Message 1705 of 2926 (901850)
11-15-2022 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1701 by AZPaul3
11-14-2022 8:48 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Dredge:
The following article is a bit old (2011) ...
AZPaul3:
A religious rag? That's not a science article. That is a charlatan site. Rejected.

Dr. Jonathan McLatchie holds a Bachelor's degree in Forensic Biology from the University of Strathclyde, a Masters (M.Res) degree in Evolutionary Biology from the University of Glasgow, a second Master's degree in Medical and Molecular Bioscience from Newcastle University, and a PhD in Evolutionary Biology from Newcastle University. Currently, Jonathan is an assistant professor of biology at Sattler College in Boston, Massachusetts.
Since AZPaul3 is more knowledgeable than Jonathan McLatchie, AZPaul3 will now give a mathematical description of descent with modification and recombination. He won't because he is a bubblehead.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 1706 of 2926 (901851)
11-15-2022 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1702 by AZPaul3
11-15-2022 12:06 AM


Re: Addition Rule Confusion
Kleinman:
Obviously, AZPaul3 is a Kari Lake supporter.
AZPaul3:
Just to emphasize the point - Lake, your Nazi bitch, lost.

Katie Hobbs Tops Kari Lake for Arizona Governor - The New York Times

I hope you are happy with a dried up Lake Mead because California will keep on dumping Sierra Nevada runoff into the ocean while taking water from the Rocky Mountain runoff (the Colorado River). I hope you like it dry, real dry.

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vimesey
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Message 1707 of 2926 (901852)
11-15-2022 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1705 by Kleinman
11-15-2022 8:19 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
This is an extract from Sattler College's website:
The modern higher education system is broken. Modern education is hostile to faith, too expensive, and academically weak. We need nothing short of a revolution. Sattler College was founded upon the biblical vision of Christian discipleship that addresses the mind, soul, and heart. Our mission is to provide an education that instructs the mind, discipleship that shapes the soul, and inspiration that inflames the heart. Our goal is to enable graduates to heartily say, “For God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power, love, and a sound mind” (2 Timothy 1:7).
Nuff said.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
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Message 1708 of 2926 (901854)
11-15-2022 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1707 by vimesey
11-15-2022 8:42 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
vimesey:
This is an extract from Sattler College's website:
quote:
The modern higher education system is broken. Modern education is hostile to faith, too expensive, and academically weak. We need nothing short of a revolution. Sattler College was founded upon the biblical vision of Christian discipleship that addresses the mind, soul, and heart. Our mission is to provide an education that instructs the mind, discipleship that shapes the soul, and inspiration that inflames the heart. Our goal is to enable graduates to heartily say, “For God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power, love, and a sound mind” (2 Timothy 1:7).
vimsey:
Nuff said.


If that's "nuff said", why do today's college students have huge debts? And why doesn't Taq know how to use the addition rule? And why don't biologists understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution? vimsey doesn't know when there has been nuff.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1709 of 2926 (901855)
11-15-2022 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1706 by Kleinman
11-15-2022 8:21 AM


Re: Addition Rule Confusion
Meaningless deflection.
That's a foregone conclusion. Your Nazi girlfriend cannot stop it.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 335 days)
Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 1710 of 2926 (901856)
11-15-2022 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1709 by AZPaul3
11-15-2022 9:58 AM


Re: Addition Rule Confusion
AZPaul3:
Meaningless deflection.

That's a foregone conclusion. Your Nazi girlfriend cannot stop it.
Who is going to stop California from taking all of your water? I hope you like it dry, real dry.

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