Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."

Kleinman:

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This virus is active and kills and possibly causing the extinction of the koalas.

Taq:

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Yes, it is active. It is also found as endogenous copies in the koala genome. You claimed that having endogenous copies of an active virus would prevent births, but it doesn't.

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It only kills the koalas. It's not much of an example of an inactive virus.

Kleinman:

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Where are your hundreds of thousands of inactive viruses?

Taq:

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No one is saying that 200,000 ERV's were added to the human genome in one go. You are probably also confused as to how someone can run a marathon given the fact that a stride can only cover 1 yard.

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The only example you give is killing koalas. It may even drive them to extinction. So start making excuses.

Kleinman:

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It only kills the koalas.

Taq:

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Koalas are born with the ERV's.

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It is not an inactive virus, it is killing the koalas and may drive them to extinction. Your own link says as much.

Kleinman:

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The only example you give is killing koalas. It may even drive them to extinction. So start making excuses.

Taq:

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What excuses need to be made? Koalas are born with the ERV's. They haven't gone extinct. Some ERV's have even been identified as being non-pathogenic (i.e. incapable of replication).
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You claimed they couldn't even be born with the ERV's. You are obviously wrong.
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You also act as if all 200,000 insertions have to happen at once which is ridiculous. A slow accumulation over millions of years will get you there.

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You have claimed hundreds of thousands of inactive viruses and you present only a single virus that is active and is killing koalas. And even if the koalas survive this virus, they have another virus to survive, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another,... Your claims are nonsense. This is what happens when a virus infects a germ cell and you think it happens hundreds of thousands of times.

Tanypteryx:

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So, you still don't have the balls to actually address the evidence. You sure look like a fraud, Bullshit Peddler.

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Maybe an ERV has taken over your brain? Of course, it was a friendly ERV. There are hundreds of thousands of them except the one affecting koalas.

Kleinman:

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It is not an inactive virus, it is killing the koalas and may drive them to extinction. Your own link says as much.

Taq:

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You claimed that no offspring could be born if they carry a viral copy. You were wrong.

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You are a stupid ass. I never made that claim. You claim there are hundreds of thousands of ERVs that are inactive and then give an example of one that is. You are stupid and you are a liar.

Kleinman:

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You have claimed hundreds of thousands of inactive viruses and you present only a single virus that is active and is killing koalas. And even if the koalas survive this virus, they have another virus to survive, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another,... Your claims are nonsense. This is what happens when a virus infects a germ cell and you think it happens hundreds of thousands of times.

Taq:

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Calling something nonsense does not make the evidence go away.

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You are a dummy. You claim hundreds of thousands of inactive ERVs and then give an example of a retrovirus that damages koalas. You are stupid and have no idea what a virus does to a host cell. Your example isn't some special case, this is typical of what a virus does to a host cell. You are a moron that is ignorant of what a virus does to a host cell. You think that there are hundreds of thousands of inactive viruses but then you virologists give us Covid. That isn't evidence, that is your ignorant imagination in action. Go make up some imaginary math problems.

Kleinman:

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You are a stupid ass. I never made that claim.

Taq:

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From message 1691:

Kleinman:

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Have you ever seen a child whose mother caught a viral disease early in her pregnancy? It destroys the stem cell.

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That's right stupid, the child is born with all kinds of birth defects. You are a blithering idiot.

Kleinman:

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You claim hundreds of thousands of inactive ERVs and then give an example of a retrovirus that damages koalas.

Taq:

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So which of the 203,000 ERVs in your genome do you think are active?

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I've answered that already, stupid. You just don't pay attention. You are stupid and inattentive.

Kleinman:

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You are a moron that is ignorant of what a virus does to a host cell.

Taq:

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I strongly suspect I am not the one who is confused on this subject.

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Yeah, that's right idiot. No one has ever been hurt by a virus. They are all inactive viruses. No one dies of HIV, hepatitis, influenza, Covid,... You are the great virologist that knows all about viruses. You are a dummy and all you do is imagine incorrectly.

Kleinman:

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That isn't evidence

Tanypteryx:

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We note that your responses are completely devoid of evidence, in fact, devoid of substance, just flailing and handwaving. You are just a strawman caricature of a scientist.

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Yeah, the bug chaser only can wish that he understood biological evolution. He's too stupid to explain the Kishony and Lenski experiments. He's too busy chasing bugs. Tell us about all those inactive ERVs you see in your dreams. Except, Taq gives an example that is killing koalas. What a nimrod.

Tanypteryx:

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Still no evidence or substance Bullshit Peddler.

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You are an idiot that thinks there are hundreds of thousands of inactive ERVs when Taq gives an example of an active retrovirus. That's evidence enough to prove that you are an idiot. Go chase a bug, that's all you are good for. You nimrod.

Taq:

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I strongly suspect I am not the one who is confused on this subject.

AZPaul3:

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Does he really believe you are talking about a 200 k virus load? Or 200 k complete virus genomes absorbed into the human lineage ready to spring into action? Is he that ignorant of the topic?

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Hey dim bulb, how about a germ cell being infected 200k times? Taq gives an example of a single retrovirus infection, and it might cause the extinction of koalas. How about if koalas are infected 200k times and not all at once, one after another? I hope you like it dry, real dry.

AZPaul3:

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Does he really believe you are talking about a 200 k virus load?

Tanypteryx:

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Of course not, he's being deliberately obtuse because he has absolutely no evidence or anything of substance to refute the mountains of evidence, 200K ERV orthologs in the human and chimp genome.

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Yeah, Tany thinks a germ cell line can survive when infected 200k times. And that's not all at once, one after another. That's why Tany is a moron that knows nothing about viral infections. Even Taq's example of a retrovirus infection killing koalas doesn't convince him. He thinks these viral infections don't do anything. That's why he is a moron. So, bug chaser, tell us about 200k retrovirus infections that do nothing, you idiot.

AZPaul3:

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So he is using his ignorance on this specific as smoke and mirrors to hide his ignorance of the topic in general? That's nicely convoluted. Kleinman the convoluted. It fits.

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I'm not the one claiming that 200k viral infections of the germ cell line do nothing. It is morons like you. Check out Taq's claim about koalas with a retroviral infection that may cause extinction. And I hope you like it dry, real dry.

Kleinman:

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Hey dim bulb, how about a germ cell being infected 200k times?

AZPaul3:

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Hey sheep dip, how about a population being infected with various viruses 200 k times over many many generations? Do you think viral infections in populations only involve somatic cells? You're not thinking this through.

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Hey dumb, dumb, it only takes one infection in one generation to wipe out a population. That's what Taq's example shows. Now think through what would happen if a retroviral infection occurs 200k times, one after another. And I hope you like it dry, real dry.

Kleinman:

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Yeah, Tany thinks a germ cell line can survive when infected 200k times.

AZPaul3:

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No, that is your deliberate misrepresentation of what Tany said. And, yes, the germ line pool of a population can do some amazing things, many of which your religious BS doesn't like. Things like turn monkeys into men. And, yes, as in Tany's case, relate damselflies to the human lineage.
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You lie so easily, don't you.

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I'm not misrepresenting any of Tany's claims, he says you have 200k retroviral infections and none cause any damage to the cell line. Neither he nor you have any idea what a viral infection does to a cell. The virus takes over the cell to produce more viruses and then destroys the cell. I hope you like it dry, real dry.

Kleinman:

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I'm not the one claiming that 200k viral infections of the germ cell line do nothing.

AZPaul3:

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No one is.
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The claim is that the gene pool of a population can hold the inserted remnants of past viral infections and the human genome shows 200k+ such insertions over the history of its lineage.
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You just have to lie about everything, don't you.

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I'm just repeating the stupidity of Taq and Tany back to them. They want to believe that a cell line can survive 200k viral infections. That needs to be refuted with the fact that viral infections kill and Taq's own example shows that. You can believe that as well if you want to be stupid. I hope you like it dry, real dry.

Kleinman:

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I'm not misrepresenting any of Tany's claims,

AZPaul3:

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Yes, you are. Everyone can see it.
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And now you are deliberately lying about your misrepresentation. It just gets piled higher and deeper with you.

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Everyone can see it and they know that I'm not misrepresenting anything they have said. I hope you like it dry, real dry.

Kleinman:

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Now think through what would happen if a retroviral infection occurs 200k times ...

AZPaul3:

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What makes you think the human gene pool could not absorb 200k+ insertions in its millions+- year history?
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No one is talking about infecting one cell 200k+ times. That is a stupidity that is difficult to deal with even coming from ol' muddle math yourself.

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You are dreaming. Taq's example shows that a single infection may cause the extinction of koalas. What makes you think that a single cell line can sustain 200k infections? And try learning how descent with modification works and do the math for the Kishony and Lenski experiments if it isn't too difficult for you. I hope you like it dry, real dry.