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Author | Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
I don't know what to accept - I don't trust evolutionary scientists to present and interpret the evidence objectively and honestly.
Does this mean you accept common ancestry within phyla?The genetic evidence does reveal a single tree.
So goes the Darwinist tale ... all organisms share certain tRNA genes, therefore humans and lettuce must have descended from a common ancestor. LOL! The absurdity of humans and lettuce descending from a common ancestor not withstanding, I accept that UCD is the best scientific explanation for universally shared tRNA. However, that doesn't disprove the divine-creation explanation. Giving common sequences the name, "conserved sequences" doesn't prove the Darwinist narrative is the truth.
I'm not sure why you would use fossils
Exactly. Why mess around with fossils when you can claim UCD simply on the basis of a "universally shared genes" like tRNA?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Modern biology begins with the assumption that UCD is an established scientific fact. All evidence must be interpreted according to that paradigm.
Biologists have expanded the notion of phylogenetic trees way beyond their scientific meaning. They see similarities and assume this means relatedness. When you apply the laws of physics and mathematics to their ideas, you see how wrong they are.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
That is the only thing you've ever written that was worth reading.
The lettuce isn't thrilled about being related to vegetables like you.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
Calling me a "vegetable" is most unfair, inaccurate and hurtful. I have an IQ of 9 ... vegetables have an average IQ of zero; for some of them, less than zero. Admittedly, the opportunity to call you a vegetable does make it better. So although I am technically an idiot, compared to your garden-variety vegetable, I am a veritable genius.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
You've got me there, blondie.
Vegetables don't question scientists, which makes them smarter than you.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
So, science can't prove that UCD is a fact ... funny that.
Science doesn't deal in either proof or belief.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
The following article is a bit old (2011), but I thought you might find it interesting nevertheless:
Do Shared ERVs Support Common Ancestry? – Evolution News
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
You appear to be contradicting yourself - you're saying UCD is a fact that can't be proven. science doesn't deal in proof. Of course UCD IS a fact. Fascinating.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
"If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit." ringo doesn't need proof, ringo has science, taught to him by Tany the bug chaser, master of all science. Matthew 15:14
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
I did point out that that article was eleven years old ...
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Ouch! You really know how to hurt a bloke ...
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
There's probably not much difference between a dozen verified ERVs and 200,000 questionable ERVs. The chimp genome paper is 17 years old. Six years before McLatchie tried to claim that there are less than a dozen ERV's shared by humans and chimps there was a chimp genome paper that demonstrated how chimps and humans share over 99% of the 200,000 ERVs found in the human genome. Everyone knows that Darwinist scientists can't be trusted and that they exaggerate the evidence for their cherished beliefs. It's a bit like how the media reported that "300,000" spectators lined the streets to watch the Sydney Gay Mardi Gras, but the police reported a crowd of considerably less - about 30,000.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanyptuvwxyz writes:
A classic example is evolutionary scientists claiming that they "know how evolution works" ... which is actually worse than an exaggeration ... it's a flat-out lie. It's impossible to know what process was responsible for producing the changes in life-forms evident in the fossil record. It's interesting that you couldn't provide an example of scientists exaggerating anything, but rather a completely unrelated example. "The deceit is sometimes unconscious, butnot always, since some people, owing to their sectarianism, purposely overlook reality and refuse to acknowledge the inadequacies and falsity of their beliefs." Pierre-Paul Grassé, EVOLUTION OF LIVING ORGANISMS, TRANS. FROM FRENCH (ACADEMIC PRESS: NEW YORK, NY, 1977) P.8 NOV 30 . 1977 Another source of Darwinist exaggeration is transitional fossils .... Archaeopteryx, is a classic example. In short, anyone who trusts what Darwinist scientists say is a fool.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Tany is just being a good Darwinist ... a good Darwinist ignores any evidence that doesn't conform to Darwinist dictrine. Typical cult behaviour ... inconvenient truths are not allowed to get a foot in the door.
Tany is the worst kind of example. He takes an observation whether it be fossils or genetic sequences he calls ERVs and draws any kind of conclusion he wants but ignores the Kishony and Lenski experiments which are repeatable and measurable. It would never enter his mind that these are sequences that control the expression of coding genes so that he doesn't have hair growing out of his eyeballs and fingernails growing from his nose.
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