Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
2 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,911 Year: 4,168/9,624 Month: 1,039/974 Week: 366/286 Day: 9/13 Hour: 1/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1321 of 2932 (901282)
11-08-2022 7:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1318 by Taq
11-07-2022 12:54 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Taq writes:
Does this mean you accept common ancestry within phyla?
I don't know what to accept - I don't trust evolutionary scientists to present and interpret the evidence objectively and honestly.
The genetic evidence does reveal a single tree.
So goes the Darwinist tale ... all organisms share certain tRNA genes, therefore humans and lettuce must have descended from a common ancestor. LOL!
The absurdity of humans and lettuce descending from a common ancestor not withstanding, I accept that UCD is the best scientific explanation for universally shared tRNA. However, that doesn't disprove the divine-creation explanation.
Giving common sequences the name, "conserved sequences" doesn't prove the Darwinist narrative is the truth.
I'm not sure why you would use fossils
Exactly. Why mess around with fossils when you can claim UCD simply on the basis of a "universally shared genes" like tRNA?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1318 by Taq, posted 11-07-2022 12:54 PM Taq has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1328 by Kleinman, posted 11-08-2022 8:07 AM Dredge has replied
 Message 1332 by ringo, posted 11-08-2022 10:49 AM Dredge has replied
 Message 1334 by Taq, posted 11-08-2022 11:24 AM Dredge has not replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1329 of 2932 (901293)
11-08-2022 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1328 by Kleinman
11-08-2022 8:07 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
Biologists have expanded the notion of phylogenetic trees way beyond their scientific meaning. They see similarities and assume this means relatedness. When you apply the laws of physics and mathematics to their ideas, you see how wrong they are.
Modern biology begins with the assumption that UCD is an established scientific fact. All evidence must be interpreted according to that paradigm.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1328 by Kleinman, posted 11-08-2022 8:07 AM Kleinman has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1330 by Kleinman, posted 11-08-2022 9:28 AM Dredge has not replied
 Message 1333 by ringo, posted 11-08-2022 10:52 AM Dredge has not replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1341 of 2932 (901316)
11-08-2022 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1332 by ringo
11-08-2022 10:49 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
ringo writes:
The lettuce isn't thrilled about being related to vegetables like you.
That is the only thing you've ever written that was worth reading.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1332 by ringo, posted 11-08-2022 10:49 AM ringo has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1342 by ringo, posted 11-08-2022 12:26 PM Dredge has replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1362 of 2932 (901341)
11-08-2022 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1342 by ringo
11-08-2022 12:26 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
ringo writes:
Admittedly, the opportunity to call you a vegetable does make it better.
Calling me a "vegetable" is most unfair, inaccurate and hurtful. I have an IQ of 9 ... vegetables have an average IQ of zero; for some of them, less than zero.
So although I am technically an idiot, compared to your garden-variety vegetable, I am a veritable genius.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1342 by ringo, posted 11-08-2022 12:26 PM ringo has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1402 by ringo, posted 11-09-2022 2:08 PM Dredge has replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1573 of 2932 (901684)
11-13-2022 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1402 by ringo
11-09-2022 2:08 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
ringo writes:
Vegetables don't question scientists, which makes them smarter than you.
You've got me there, blondie.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1402 by ringo, posted 11-09-2022 2:08 PM ringo has seen this message but not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1576 by Kleinman, posted 11-14-2022 9:37 AM Dredge has not replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1653 of 2932 (901790)
11-14-2022 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1585 by ringo
11-14-2022 10:44 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
ringo writes:
Science doesn't deal in either proof or belief.
So, science can't prove that UCD is a fact ... funny that.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1585 by ringo, posted 11-14-2022 10:44 AM ringo has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1656 by Taq, posted 11-14-2022 4:38 PM Dredge has not replied
 Message 1657 by Tanypteryx, posted 11-14-2022 4:41 PM Dredge has not replied
 Message 1659 by Kleinman, posted 11-14-2022 4:48 PM Dredge has not replied
 Message 1717 by ringo, posted 11-15-2022 11:24 AM Dredge has replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1688 of 2932 (901829)
11-14-2022 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1663 by Kleinman
11-14-2022 5:03 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1663 by Kleinman, posted 11-14-2022 5:03 PM Kleinman has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1690 by Taq, posted 11-14-2022 6:16 PM Dredge has not replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1700 of 2932 (901843)
11-14-2022 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1695 by Taq
11-14-2022 6:23 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
The following article is a bit old (2011), but I thought you might find it interesting nevertheless:
Do Shared ERVs Support Common Ancestry? – Evolution News

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1695 by Taq, posted 11-14-2022 6:23 PM Taq has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1701 by AZPaul3, posted 11-14-2022 8:48 PM Dredge has not replied
 Message 1704 by Kleinman, posted 11-15-2022 8:16 AM Dredge has not replied
 Message 1711 by Taq, posted 11-15-2022 10:37 AM Dredge has not replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1720 of 2932 (901870)
11-15-2022 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1717 by ringo
11-15-2022 11:24 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
ringo writes:
science doesn't deal in proof.
Of course UCD IS a fact.
You appear to be contradicting yourself - you're saying UCD is a fact that can't be proven.
Fascinating.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1717 by ringo, posted 11-15-2022 11:24 AM ringo has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1731 by Kleinman, posted 11-15-2022 1:08 PM Dredge has replied
 Message 1862 by ringo, posted 11-17-2022 10:42 AM Dredge has not replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1746 of 2932 (901897)
11-15-2022 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1731 by Kleinman
11-15-2022 1:08 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
ringo doesn't need proof, ringo has science, taught to him by Tany the bug chaser, master of all science.
"If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit."
Matthew 15:14

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1731 by Kleinman, posted 11-15-2022 1:08 PM Kleinman has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1747 by Taq, posted 11-15-2022 1:55 PM Dredge has replied
 Message 1755 by Kleinman, posted 11-15-2022 2:58 PM Dredge has not replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1748 of 2932 (901900)
11-15-2022 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1747 by Taq
11-15-2022 1:55 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
I did point out that that article was eleven years old ...

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1747 by Taq, posted 11-15-2022 1:55 PM Taq has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1749 by Tanypteryx, posted 11-15-2022 2:48 PM Dredge has replied
 Message 1751 by Taq, posted 11-15-2022 2:50 PM Dredge has replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1955 of 2932 (902253)
11-20-2022 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1749 by Tanypteryx
11-15-2022 2:48 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Ouch! You really know how to hurt a bloke ...

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1749 by Tanypteryx, posted 11-15-2022 2:48 PM Tanypteryx has not replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1956 of 2932 (902254)
11-20-2022 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1751 by Taq
11-15-2022 2:50 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Taq writes:
The chimp genome paper is 17 years old. Six years before McLatchie tried to claim that there are less than a dozen ERV's shared by humans and chimps there was a chimp genome paper that demonstrated how chimps and humans share over 99% of the 200,000 ERVs found in the human genome.
There's probably not much difference between a dozen verified ERVs and 200,000 questionable ERVs.
Everyone knows that Darwinist scientists can't be trusted and that they exaggerate the evidence for their cherished beliefs.
It's a bit like how the media reported that "300,000" spectators lined the streets to watch the Sydney Gay Mardi Gras, but the police reported a crowd of considerably less - about 30,000.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1751 by Taq, posted 11-15-2022 2:50 PM Taq has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1957 by Tanypteryx, posted 11-20-2022 4:12 PM Dredge has replied
 Message 1960 by Kleinman, posted 11-21-2022 7:56 AM Dredge has not replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1958 of 2932 (902258)
11-20-2022 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1957 by Tanypteryx
11-20-2022 4:12 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Tanyptuvwxyz writes:
It's interesting that you couldn't provide an example of scientists exaggerating anything, but rather a completely unrelated example.
A classic example is evolutionary scientists claiming that they "know how evolution works" ... which is actually worse than an exaggeration ... it's a flat-out lie. It's impossible to know what process was responsible for producing the changes in life-forms evident in the fossil record.
"The deceit is sometimes unconscious, but
not always, since some people, owing to their sectarianism, purposely overlook reality and refuse to acknowledge the inadequacies and falsity
of their beliefs
."
Pierre-Paul Grassé, EVOLUTION OF LIVING ORGANISMS, TRANS. FROM FRENCH (ACADEMIC PRESS: NEW YORK, NY, 1977) P.8 NOV 30 . 1977
Another source of Darwinist exaggeration is transitional fossils .... Archaeopteryx, is a classic example.
In short, anyone who trusts what Darwinist scientists say is a fool.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1957 by Tanypteryx, posted 11-20-2022 4:12 PM Tanypteryx has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1959 by Tanypteryx, posted 11-21-2022 12:07 AM Dredge has not replied
 Message 1961 by Kleinman, posted 11-21-2022 7:58 AM Dredge has replied

  
Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1991 of 2932 (902324)
11-21-2022 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1961 by Kleinman
11-21-2022 7:58 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
Tany is the worst kind of example. He takes an observation whether it be fossils or genetic sequences he calls ERVs and draws any kind of conclusion he wants but ignores the Kishony and Lenski experiments which are repeatable and measurable. It would never enter his mind that these are sequences that control the expression of coding genes so that he doesn't have hair growing out of his eyeballs and fingernails growing from his nose.
Tany is just being a good Darwinist ... a good Darwinist ignores any evidence that doesn't conform to Darwinist dictrine. Typical cult behaviour ... inconvenient truths are not allowed to get a foot in the door.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1961 by Kleinman, posted 11-21-2022 7:58 AM Kleinman has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1992 by Dredge, posted 11-21-2022 5:04 PM Dredge has replied
 Message 1993 by AZPaul3, posted 11-21-2022 5:06 PM Dredge has replied
 Message 2014 by Taq, posted 11-22-2022 10:37 AM Dredge has not replied
 Message 2016 by ringo, posted 11-22-2022 10:46 AM Dredge has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024