Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."

Mutations can occur in the virus just before or during insertion that results in a non-replicating virus. You are assuming that all viral insertions are capable of replication and producing viable virus, which just isn't true. I will take the well informed opinion of the world's virologists and geneticists over your uneducated opinions.

Taq:

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There are real world examples of existing retroviruses creating new ERV's in modern populations. The Koala genome is currently undergoing an invasion of retroviral sequence into their genome.

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Sure, HIV is an example. Now imagine someone infected with 100,000 different HIV viruses.

Imagine one cell with an insertion incapable of producing virus.We have examples of an existing virus that is circulating in koalas. We also have examples of ERV's from that virus in the genomes of koalas. What more do you need?

Kleinman:

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The idea of hundreds of thousands of viruses infecting cells and yet not causing disease is nonsense, especially in the initial stem cell of a replicator.

Taq:

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Mutations can occur in the virus just before or during insertion that results in a non-replicating virus. You are assuming that all viral insertions are capable of replication and producing viable virus, which just isn't true.

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You imagine hundreds of thousands of inactivated viruses. None of these viruses are active. They all just happen to get mutations that cause them all to become inactive.

Kleinman:

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You can believe it if you want but I think it is hogwash.

Taq:

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I will take the well informed opinion of the world's virologists and geneticists over your uneducated opinions.

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Sure, they have wiped out viral diseases all over the world. They are so smart. They have done a wonderful job with Covid.

Kleinman:

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Now imagine someone infected with 100,000 different HIV viruses.

Taq:

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Imagine one cell with an insertion incapable of producing virus.
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We have examples of an existing virus that is circulating in koalas. We also have examples of ERV's from that virus in the genomes of koalas. What more do you need

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Just 99,999 to go and they are all inactivated.

No need to imagine them. We can observe them in the human genome and the genomes of many other mammals.

They wouldn't have all entered the genome at the same time.

Junk No Longer: ERVs Are “Integral” and “Important Components” of Immune Responses – Evolution News

Kleinman:

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You imagine hundreds of thousands of inactivated viruses.

Taq:

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No need to imagine them. We can observe them in the human genome and the genomes of many other mammals.

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They don't have to be inactivated if they aren't viruses. But you believe they are. You have quite an imagination.

The usual red herring.No one is saying that ERV's are evidence for common ancestry because they are junk DNA.No one is saying that ERV's are evidence for common ancestry because they lack function.If a viral insertion evolves function after insertion that neither falsifies evolution nor common ancestry. Finding function in ERV's does not put their viral origin in doubt. ERV's are evidence for common ancestry because they occur at the same base in two genomes.I will repeat. ERV's are evidence for common ancestry because they occur at the same base in two genomes.If your argument does not tackle this one aspect of the argument, then it is a red herring.

Kleinman:

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Just 99,999 to go and they are all inactivated.

Taq:

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They wouldn't have all entered the genome at the same time.

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Have you ever seen a child whose mother caught a viral disease early in her pregnancy? It destroys the stem cell.

They have viral genes. We can observe retroviruses creating new ERV's right in front of us. The viral origin of ERV's is not in doubt. We can watch retroviruses produce ERV's right in front of us. You are denying observations.

We can observe ERV's in the koala genome that is inherited as an ERV, and it is the same sequence as that found in the circulating retrovirus that is currently infecting koalas. We can see it in action. If what you say is true, then these observations would not be possible, and yet there they are.

Dredge:

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Junk No Longer: ERVs Are “Integral” and “Important Components” of Immune Responses

Taq:

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The usual red herring.

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What's the matter, it doesn't fit your narrative.

It doesn't address the evidence. No one is saying that ERV's are evidence for common ancestry because they are junk DNA. So why would pointing to functional ERV's refute the argument for common ancestry?If you want to refute an argument you have to address the actual argument. Setting up strawmen does nothing to refute that actual argument.