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Author | Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
I do understand that every time i buy a lottery ticket, my chances of winning are the same.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Poor ringo seems to think that the probability of winning the lottery once is equal to the probability of the same person winning the lottery 1000 times in a row. Little wonder he thinks the scientific impossibility of abiogenesis by natural means is statistically inevitable. ringo wants me to teach you introductory probability theory when it is ringo that needs to learn that subject. Atheists fantasies are kinda embarrassing.
He's the one that believes that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.
More embarrassing atheist fantasies.
That's what happens when biologists think they understand mathematics by taking a survey of mathematics course and barely passing that course.
Why should evolutionary scientists bother with mathematics when they can invent fairy tales about what happened millions of years ago and pass them off as facts? The atheistic cult of Darwinism thrives on dreaming up bedtime stories about the ancient past.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Well, I have stated many times on this forum that I have a fragile, eggshell mind. Nevertheless, the Holy Spirit has convinced me the truth of the Catholic Church ... the truth you have yet to discover.
weak mind
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
The probability that your "one piece at a time" hypothesis is pure fantasy is very, very good.
We add one piece at a time - and the probability of that is very, very good.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
Let's try a simpler example of probability: Then you should also understand that winning the lottery twice is no harder than winning it once. And winning it ten times is no harder than winning it once. And winning it a thousand times is not harder than winning it once.If I toss a coin once, the probability of getting a head is 1/2. If I toss a coin three times, what is the probability of getting three heads?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
Of course it's harder ... much harder ... bcoz you multiply the probabilities of winning each lottery. Then you should also understand that winning the lottery twice is no harder than winning it once. And winning it ten times is no harder than winning it once. And winning it a thousand times is not harder than winning it once. So if the probability of winning once is one in a million (10-6), the probability of winning twice in a row is 10-6 × 10-6 = 10-12. The probability of winning 1000 times in a row would be (10-6)¹⁰⁰⁰= 10-6000 which represents a statistical impossibility.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
Let's imagine the same person won the lottery 5 times. If the question was: Then you should also understand that winning the lottery twice is no harder than winning it once. And winning it ten times is no harder than winning it once. And winning it a thousand times is not harder than winning it once.What is the probability of that person winning the 1st lottery OR the 2nd lottery OR the 3rd lottery OR the 4th lottery OR the 5th lottery, the answer would be, the probability of winning just one lottery (assuming P for winning each lottery is the same). But that is not the question. The question is, what is the the probability of winning all five lotteries in a row - ie, winning the 1st lottery AND the 2nd lottery AND the 3rd lottery AND the 4th lottery AND the 5th lottery? In that case, the answer isP(winning one lottery) × P(winning one lottery) × P(winning one lottery) × P(winning one lottery) × P(winning one lottery). = P(winning one lottery)⁵
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying ... and you seem to be the only poster here to realise that I was using a ridiculous hyperbole (a probability of less than 1) to match a ridiculous proposition (natural abiogenesis).
think what Dredge is saying is that the probability of abiogenesis is so low, that it might as well be negative. amino acids have a half-life, they are not stable molecules.
Atheist dreamers who believe in natural abiogenesis expect us to believe that the first viable life-form began as maybe a lucky amino acid that rolled around in the ocean until it bumped into another lucky amino acid and some other lucky molecules, which together just happened to form part of a cell. This lucky process continued until ... hey presto! ... they formed a very lucky living organism that started living and feeding and reproducing! Wow! I wonder how much time elapsed between each lucky stage of construction. How would a lucky fraction of a cell manage to stay intact until it bumped into the next lucky part of the jigsaw? Why would such a mindless, aimless, lifeless process produce an organism that reproduces? The hypothesis of naturalabiogenesis is so improbable, unscientific and idiotic that it beggars belief that any half-intelligent, half-sane adult would accept it.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Yes, it's a bizarre case of applying wild extrapolation to science until it morphs into science-fiction Darwin did get two important things right. He understood that two important aspects of biological evolution are biological competition and descent with modification. The error is in grossly over-extrapolating these two physical processes into universal common descent. ... a bit like saying, "Humans are running 100 metres faster today than they did 70 years ago. Therefore, in the very distant future, humans will be able to run 100 metres in just 1 second."
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Ah yes, the magic wand of deep time - it can make scientific impossibilities possible! La La Land. And you know what they will say when their lab experiments to demonstrate abiogenesis don't work? We don't have billions of years to work with in the lab but we know that abiogenesis happened. I suspect abiogenesis research is driven by atheism's deep-seated psychological need to find the "silver bullet" that will prove God wasn't necessary for life to begin. But it's a fool's errand - they'll never find it.However, that won't stop the meaningless claims of "progress" and advances in "understanding" by deluded researchers.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Actually, I had heard that atoms are very small (although I hadn't heard that they're "very, very, very" small). I hope you're not crazy enough to think that atoms are large. They aren’t. They are very, very, very small. Is an atom as small as my brain?
The other vital element is, of course, deep time
Oh yes, deep time can do amazing things. I mean, just look at how lots of time carved out those four faces on Mount Rushmore! Very impressive, I must say.
I avoided a lot of big words and big concepts that might confuse you
Thank you, I appreciate that. I don't like big words and big concepts ... they scare me.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
After having carefully and fairly considered your comment, I've come to the conclusion that it's unworthy of merit, for the following reason:
Your comment fails to explain why an otherwise sane and intelligent person would be so stupid and deluded as to think it's possible to know how viable life arose from inanimate matter. In contrast, I provided a quite plausible explanation for why an otherwise sane and intelligent person would be so stupid and deluded as to think it's possible to know how life arose from inanimate matter.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul writes:
"jest"? Not at all. If nature alone could have produced abiogenesis, nature alone could have produced the faces on Mt. Rushmore.
Given the tone of your post I assume it was all in jest. You have to be careful though. Religionists are so fuckin stupid I wouldn't be surprised if you thought Mt. Rushmore was a natural phenomenon carved billions of years ago by your god.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
A shameful waste of taxpayers hard-earned money, chasing fairies at the bottom of the garden. You know that this abiogenesis research would stop if it wasn't paid for by taxpayers. Abiogenesis research hasn't provided anything useful to anyone except for those paid by government grants for this nonsense. Abiogenesis research is as futile and useless as research into Universal Common Descent.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Judging by your comments, I think you should give serious thought to writing science-fiction for a living ... you're a deadset natural!
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