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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Dredge
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Message 1162 of 2932 (900827)
11-01-2022 1:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1161 by Theodoric
11-01-2022 12:10 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Theodoric writes:
It always amazes me that these cranks think they are so much smarter than everyone else that they think we are too stupid to confirm evidence.
You don't have to be very smart to be smarter than someone who thinks life started all by itself, as atheists do.
And you don't have to be very smart to be smarter than someone who thinks Darwinian theory adequately explains the history of life on earth, as per atheist folklore.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1165 of 2932 (900831)
11-01-2022 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1163 by dwise1
11-01-2022 2:07 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
dwise1 writes:
Having worked as an engineer (albeit software)
Please be advised that a software "engineer" is not a true engineer, but just a geeky nerd ... who knows precious little about maths and physics.
Dr. Michael Denton from Australia. He wrote a book, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985). After he had published, he stated in an interview that one thing he learned after publishing was how much he had thought he had known but which he actually didn't. 
Which "interview"? A citation please.
Or are just making things up (again)?
he even joined with the Discovery Institute.
... which proves MD is an honest and brilliant thinker.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
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Message 1166 of 2932 (900832)
11-01-2022 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1164 by Tanypteryx
11-01-2022 2:13 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Tanypteryx writes:
you seem to also be the only ones who think Darwinian theory adequately explains the history of life on earth, I am positive that it DOES NOT, and none of us are arguing that it does.
There, you see ... it wasn't that hard to think clearly and honestly now, was it?
But be very careful ... that sort of talk could get you expelled from the cult, banished to the outer darkness forever, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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Dredge
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Message 1187 of 2932 (900871)
11-01-2022 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1173 by Taq
11-01-2022 10:52 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Dredge writes:
You don't have to be very smart to be smarter than someone who thinks life started all by itself, as atheists do.
Taq writes:
I'm an atheist and I will gladly admit that I don't know how life started. Perhaps you should ask what atheists think instead of erecting strawmen.
Oh, the irony! You are the one erecting a strawman - I didn't say anything about atheists not knowing "how life started".
No wonder you don't understand what Kleinman is saying ... you don't even understand what I'm saying! [qs=Dredge]And you don't have to be very smart to be smarter than someone who thinks Darwinian theory adequately explains the history of life on earth, as per atheist folklore.]/qs]
Taq writes:
What isn't adequate about Darwinian theory?
What? You haven't yet noticed that Darwinian theory does a lousy job of explaining the history of life on earth. How old are you - ten?
The following site does a good job of exposing the inadequacies of Darwinian theory:
Evolution News | Reporting on intelligent design and evolution

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Dredge
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Message 1194 of 2932 (900878)
11-01-2022 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1168 by Kleinman
11-01-2022 9:05 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Investing everything in an atheist fable like UCD probably isn't the best way to approach medical science.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
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Message 1204 of 2932 (900895)
11-01-2022 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1203 by Kleinman
11-01-2022 2:53 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
But that motivates atheists to resist the mathematical and empirical facts of life.
Why let the mathematical and empirical facts of life ruin a perfectly good fable?

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Dredge
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Message 1284 of 2932 (901190)
11-05-2022 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1282 by Kleinman
11-05-2022 5:40 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
It's tough trying to reason with people who are clinically delusional and/or intellectually dishonest.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1290 of 2932 (901201)
11-05-2022 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1286 by Kleinman
11-05-2022 7:03 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
They think that repeating their garbage makes it true.
A tried and true method ... that's how they got brainwashed with said garbage in the first place.
But some folks aren't so malleable and so easily fooled ...

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1293 of 2932 (901205)
11-05-2022 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1287 by dwise1
11-05-2022 7:19 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
dwise1 writes:
A number of forum members are former creationists, so there's always hope.
So they abandoned one error (six literal days of creation), only to fall victim to a worse error (Darwinism and UCD)?
That doesn't say much for their credibility.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
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Message 1294 of 2932 (901206)
11-05-2022 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1285 by Kleinman
11-05-2022 7:02 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleiman writes:
Oh yeah, you've learned a lot about the physics and mathematics of biological evolution chasing bugs.
I learnt Calculus by catching butterflies.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
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Message 1296 of 2932 (901208)
11-05-2022 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1292 by Kleinman
11-05-2022 8:06 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
They are completely biased in their thinking.
You've noticed that too?

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Dredge
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Message 1297 of 2932 (901209)
11-05-2022 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1295 by dwise1
11-05-2022 8:22 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
dwise1 writes:
Is this part of what you meant when you proclaimed that all creationists are evil? And that they are created by "evilution"
No. I made those comments in jest. Only an idiot would take them seriously.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
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Message 1309 of 2932 (901243)
11-07-2022 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1300 by dwise1
11-07-2022 3:16 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
[unwise1]The academic training for a traditional engineer in the USA is very rigorous.[/qs] So it is in Australia. Engineering courses are considered the most difficult at university (which perhaps explains why they're relatively easy to enroll in).
My father was a civil engineer. He had his own consulting business that employed 120 people in the 1970s. His company specialised in roads and bridges. I used to work in his "soil lab" in the school holidays.
I studied engineering (Bachelor of Engineering, University of Central Queensland) for one year, but my heart wasn't in it. I wanted to study Physics but my father reckoned it would only lead to a teaching job, so he urged me to study engineering instead.
I passed every subject except the computer programming course. That course assumed prior study of BASIC at highschool, but there was no computer subject when I did highschool. I was clueless about computers - I had to get someone just to show me how to turn one on ... and then I couldn't log on with my name and student number coz I didn't know you had to press the "enter" key to input information.
But my money ran out after one year and I switched to studying Physics externally (aka, by correspondence), with the intention of pursuing a career in geophysics. I got 1/3 of the way through that Physics degree when "the disasters" caught up with me, which put an end to my studies.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
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Message 1310 of 2932 (901244)
11-07-2022 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1300 by dwise1
11-07-2022 3:16 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
dwise1 writes:
The academic training for a traditional engineer in the USA is very rigorous.
So it is in Australia. Engineering courses are considered the most difficult at university (which perhaps explains why they're relatively easy to enroll in).
My father was a civil engineer. He had his own consulting business that employed 120 people in the 1970s. His company specialised in roads and bridges. I used to work in his "soil lab" in the school holidays.
I studied engineering (Bachelor of Engineering, University of Central Queensland) for one year, but my heart wasn't in it. I wanted to study Physics but my father reckoned it would only lead to a teaching job, so he urged me to study engineering instead.
I passed every subject except the computer programming course. That course assumed prior study of BASIC at highschool, but there was no computer subject when I did highschool. I was clueless about computers - I had to get someone just to show me how to turn one on ... and then I couldn't log on with my name and student number coz I didn't know you had to press the "enter" key to input information.
But my money ran out after one year and I switched to studying Physics externally (aka, by correspondence), with the intention of pursuing a career in geophysics. I got 1/3 of the way through that Physics degree when "the disasters" caught up with me, which put an end to my studies.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 1317 of 2932 (901267)
11-07-2022 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1304 by Taq
11-07-2022 10:35 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Taq writes:
The nested hierarchy exists, and it is smoking gun evidence of common ancestry.
You forgot to mention the fact that nested hierarchies exist only within Phyla - there is no fossil evidence linking the various Phyla, such that they form a nested hierarchy. That is the smoking gun that shoots down the theory of UCD.
Contrary to Darwinist folklore, the fossil evidence doesn't reveal a single "tree" of descent, as predicted by the theory of UCD ... rather, it reveals an orchard of separate trees.
But Darwinists get around this inconvenient truth by appealing to genetics - all Phyla form a nested hierarchy due to the simple fact that the genomes of all organisms on earth are based on DNA. Thus, Darwinists can claim, for example, that organisms as disparate as humans and lettuce form part of a nested hierarchy bcoz they both contain DNA.

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