Noah's Ark

I saw a special on TV (take it for what it is worth)
But in it they were calculating if the animals could indeed fit in the ark. According to them they did, with a big space left over. They later realized that the space was big enough to fit all the dinosaurs as well.It was a Christian show, not a science show.They also constructed models of a modern oil tanker, and on of the ark, to the same scale, then put them through "storms" in a test tank. The tanker sunk, and the ark would not sink. They figured the only way the ark would sink is if it flipped end over end.I don't know if I believe all that, but it was interesting. I had always wondered if the great flood killed all the dinosaurs, and that layer of sediment (iridium) found all around the world is the evidence of the flood.The only thing for sure is that we just don't know yet.

Didn't they just die a spiritual death?
That is why when you are born your spirit is dead, and Jesus says you must be born again to enter into heaven.

Thats how it could happen by flipping end over end.

Thats one way it was explained to me, although I am not saying that is the way it is.It does fit when studying the concept of being born again. Also, I consider myself born again, and expereinced something that which changed me on the outside, and the inside. Physically and mentally.He could have meant also that life would not have ended for them, but making them "mortal" or mortal with death, by eating the fruit.

What is micro-spirit death, and macro spirit death, I have not heard these terms before?I also should not have said that your spirit is dead, but not yet born yet. Dead in a way, but not dead, one must be born before dying.

I am not an engineer, and I think you are, or are studying to be one, but I say maybe, maybe not.It would all depend on the construction technic. If the design was truely from God, do you think it would have been flawed enough to break under its own weight?Wood can do some amazing things, and is probably stronger than the numbers you refer to in an engineers guide. I have personally built a wooden crane that lifted 4,000lbs using 2x10's for the arms. That was also 8ft away from the point of lifting, so the stress on the wood was far greater than that. If you look at the load capacitys of wood, it will tell you that a 2x10 cannot do that, but it does. Looking to do the same thing in steel would require 2 8" I beams, which I could not use, because it would sink the end of the boat I had the crane mounted on.

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riverrat writes:But it all comes down to the way you look at it.
We are mostly on the same page now as far as TOE not being proven.
Also TOE should not be used to believe or not belive in God.agreed?
Lam writes:I never thought this would ever be possible. This clearly proves that pigs can fly.But anyway, yes, I agree.
John 8:32
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

Ok, I still don't get it, can you put it in lamen terms for me?
I don't see the difference between micro-spirit death, and macro. I don't understand why you would put those prefix's in front of the words spirit death at all.Also what it has to do with what Adam and Eve went through and what we experience today as far as being born with an unborn spirit.

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John 3
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
7 You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.' 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

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This is what Jesus said about it.

It is not beyond me to not understand something. Or miss the joke. If it was just irony, that would explain why I didn't get it. Although I have tried "humor" here in this forum a few times, I have found in general that people get all confused when trying to have an intelligent conversation, so I gave up on it.This would also explain why I was like, what heck is he talking about?
lol

Do you believe that we are a human race, that we all are represented by one common factor, being human? That everything we do against God's will upsets what he had planned for us? It also upsets humans that follow in our footsteps, and other humans as far as the other side of the planet?If you kind of understand these things, then it is a evidence of how original sin works, and still is today, as we continue to sin.It took me awhile before I understood the dynamic of it, or believed it.

Yes, that's why I stopped making jokes here. I just figured that no one really likes to joke around. I mean the conversations are all serious, what’s the big deal if you throw a joke in or 2? I guess it wastes valuable forum space

I don't think that Noah, and David, and Enoch were sin free. They were the only ones righteous enough to have favor with the Lord.When children are born, you don't have to teach them how to be selfish, stick their tiny fingers in a socket, even when you tell them NO, how to dis-obey their parents, hit other kids, etc. It all comes naturally to them. Because they are born with it already in them.

I never looked at it that way, or really thought that we were accountable for other peoples sins, but we do suffer from other peoples sins, and should forgive them for it.