Noah's Ark

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Originally posted by thousands_not_billions:
No, Noah's flood makes perfect sense. There is enough ice locked up in the polar regions to cover the earth. The planet is around 70% water right now. And they think that the ice sheets are several miles deep.

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Purest grade-A boloney! 71% of the Earth's surface is, indeed, covered with water. The thickness of ice on Greenland and Antarctica is not "thought", but known, to range up to a little over two miles. If every bit of that ice melted, it would raise the oceans by about 250 feet: enough to get Florida, yes, but hardly to cover the Earth. That melting has happened a couple of times in the last 500 million years, too: the coral reefs 7000 feet below my house were formed in the shallow sea that those waters made in the Permian.The ice sheets at the poles also have seasonal layers that date the ice, with no seawater interruptions, to 130,000 years ago. Individual layers are visible to the naked eye back 15,000 years, and record the ashfall from the eruption of Vesuvius in 69 AD - at 1,934 layers ago.[This message has been edited by Coragyps, 01-13-2003]

vangogh, did you have a purpose in posting that particular link?

The only such links I've found there are to an audio file and to tapes/books for purchase. I'm not too keen on either.
Carlson's biography lists his academic background as being divinity degrees from seminaries. What sort of scientist is he?

Dr Chittick also appears oblivious to a very long list of facts. Where do we start??
How much heat does moving the Americas 4000 km generate, even with Teflon bearings at the Moho to keep the coefficient of friction down?How much heat does deforming near-level rock into a range like the Andes generate?What sort of permeability would soil/rock have to have to give up a few hundred meters of water in a year? What force would drive it?How much more water can you fit into the atmosphere at livable temperatures? If you take our present atmosphere to 100% relative humidity, how much precipitation would this yield? Maybe a meter? Ten meters?

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Movement of the water off the continents and into the oceans would have weighed down the ocean floor and lightened the continents, resulting in the further sinking of the ocean floor,

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Last time I looked, water was less dense than rock...I'll stop here, or I'll miss work tomorrow morning.

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Rocks are time-reset by liquificaiton and the clock starts from the time of solidificaiton.

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Okay.... take the Siberian traps and their westward, subsurface extension. Basalt, by definition solidified from tme melt, and up to 2 kilometers thick. I'll give you 1000 years to emplace them, so the heat, sulfur dioxide, and hydrogen fluoride that accompanies their eruption doesn't kill Methuseleh and all other life on earth. Now how long does it take to cool a slab of rock 2 km thick from 1600 F to room temperature? Even if a year of that cooling time is under water.... And we'll ignore (for now) the several dozen dates from different radioisotopes that all say 251 +/- 2 million years old.

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Comets (mostly ice) may represent this catastrophic event.

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Orbital mechanics would seem to dictate that objects launched ballistically from Earth would be on orbits that intersect Earth's. Why don't all those comets (and asteroids too, if you read Walt Brown) hit us weekly? And why are the deuterium/hydrogen ratios so widely different in cometary vapor and on Earth? And really - steam at 25,000 miles per hour isn't going to warm our atmosphere even a teensey little bit? That whole scenario is past laughable and all the way to just pitiable.

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Where is the data showing that the date is so homogeneous?

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Reichow, et al., Science 2002 June 7; 296: 1846-1849 give about twenty dates for the newly found buried basalts west of the Siberian Traps, as well as for the traps themselves: about a million cubic kilometers of rock. Average age is 249.4 +/- 0.5 million years by Ar-Ar dating, confirmed by U/Pb dates.

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And we all know that the Ort cloud has no actual evidecne and had to be proposed simply becasue the comets should not still be around in your scenario.

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We have a good deal of evidence for the Oort Cloud: comets whose orbits clearly originated out there. Fifteen years ago we had only that sort of evidence for the much closer Kuiper Belt, and now, last time I looked, 618 objects have been found that meet all proposed requirements for Kuiper objects - they're just so far out there that we've only found the big ones so far.

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It would be nice to know what part(s) of the traps that very consistent result came from.

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Various parts - four boreholes up to 4 km deep (the western buried basalt has up to 2 km of sediment on top) and several surface locations. There's a map in the cited paper.

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Compare that to the 14.6 pounds of pressure on dry land (at sea level) and the ocean plates are obviously much heavier.

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So you would have a 3800-meter column of seawater pushing up a 3800-meter (or 1900-meter) column of rock, with 2.6 or more times the density of the water? Show me a mechanism.

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and this means that there was volcanic action during the flood. It is interesting to note that 70% of what comes out of volcanoes today is water in the form of steam.

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So we have enough steam, at at least 100 degrees C, coming out of volcanos, etc, to give us maybe a 500-meter thick "shell" of water once it condenses. And each gram of it's going to give up 540 calories of heat as it condenses to make that water, enough to raise the temperature of 10 grams of water already on the surface by 54 degrees C.
Was that Ark gopher wood, or real thick Styrofoam? I think you'll need the latter.

The limestones on the top 2000 feet or so of Mt Everest are not strictly limestones, NSBF. They've been metamorphosed into something more like marble by having been buried deep enough to get heated to 700 degrees or so for a very long time. Then, since that burial, the six or ten miles of rock that was burying them has been eroded away and the mountains have been uplifted to their present height - and the uplift can be measured to be ongoing.Explain that to me in a Flood scenario.

Oh, yeah, I remember! He's the one who classified the chimpanzee as Homo troglodydes in the first edition of his big book. He viewed chimps as so very similar to humans that he put them in the same genus.....

yes, PUHLEEEEEZE!!!

Several spoonfuls? Twenty gallons of seawater would have almost five pounds of salt in it! Though most ocean invertebrates, like corals, die from even mild salinity reductions. Not to mention how fast silt kills 'em.As was just mentioned, pick a topic or two and let's do a new thread. Or two.