Noah's Ark

alright. take it from a believer: it's talking about a penis.personally, my GUESS is that this bit in job is talking about a bull elephant. let's look at the context:

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Job 40:16,17:
His strength is in his loins,
His might in the muscles of his belly.

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He makes his _____ stand up like a cedar;
The sinews of his thighs are knit together.

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now, these four lines are all talking about one thing. virility. they're describing this amazingly virile creature god has made. see that "thighs" bit? if you find another translation (such as the kjv, for instance) "thighs" becomes "stones."stones, meaning testicles. when deuteronomy talks about sexual diseases, it calls them disorders of the "stones." the hebrew here really, literally, says "thighs." but people have known this to to be talking about testicles for a long time.and so it's obvious that what we have here is a euphemism. the bible is actually full of them. stones are one example. feet are another.here's one for taking a piss:

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1Sa 24:3 And he came to the sheepcotes by the way, where [was] a cave; and Saul went in to cover his feet: and David and his men remained in the sides of the cave.

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here's another for some sort of sexual activity:

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Rth 3:4 And it shall be, when he lieth down, that thou shalt mark the place where he shall lie, and thou shalt go in, and uncover his feet, and lay thee down; and he will tell thee what thou shalt do.

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here's one for pee and poop.

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2Ki 18:27 But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own filth, and drink their own water with you?

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(note, i've changed this to what the verse literally says in hebrew. most translations render it "dung" and "piss")

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so let's go back and look at job. what we have is a parallelism. the second bit we know to be a euphemism for testicles. what's a parallel object for testicles, do you think?but here's another bit that will prove it. when i was a child, i wanted to be a paleontologist. so i used to know alot about dinosaurs. and you know something? dinosaurs don't have tails that stand up. they're used as counter balances, so they're always horizontal. always. in bipedal dinosaurs, it balances the weight of their torso, arms, and neck/head, over the hips. on quadripeds, it counterbalances the head and neck in the same fashion. dinosaurs are something like suspension bridges.so what is like a tail and vertical, that can be made to stand up? elephants don't have tails, do they? you know, with a penis THAT big, and four lines devoted to virility, i'm pretty sure that's the behemoth job speaks of. it's a euphemism for penis.

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actually, you should. see, it says the leviathan breathes fire.

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Job 41:21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.

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it describes him as a dragon, not a croc. as we know from the ugaritic myths, leviathan has seven heads, and as we know from psalms, he's been around since the beginning.

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Psa 74:13 Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.
Psa 74:14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, [and] gavest him [to be] meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.

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genesis mentions in chapter one god creating dragons ("great serpents") in the waters.

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Gen 1:21 And God created great serpents, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

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and psalms and isaiah confirm that leviathan is a water dragon.

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Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea.

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as a theme, he's about primordial chaos, and is always associated with the deep (ala genesis 1). and he's refered to in revelation indirectly:

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Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

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the great red dragon is also called "the ancient serpent"

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Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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john is basically drawing on the leviathan imagery, and combining it with the concept of satan. so no, leviathan is NOT a croc.personally, i think it's based on rumors of sea monsters. stories of sea serpents are quite common, and this one is sort of reminiscent of scylla from the odyssey. maybe it's even originally derived from a real encounter with a giant squid? who knows. but it seem to be referring to a semi-mythical creature, that they are not in close contact with.

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i'm terrible at public speaking, actually. otherwise, i had breifly considered going into law.

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actually, i wanted to work pro-bono civil rights issues. *shrugs*

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leviathan is associated with the waters of the great deep, the primordial chaotic state of the universe before god came along and created the earth and heaven.when god floods the earth, he does it with this water. leviathan would have been right at home.

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i don't see any mention of noah taking fish. or whales for that matter, which breathe air. noah built a boat, not a submarine.

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Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

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oh, i see.and my signature? i explained it in the signature thread... it's sort of a pun.

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more or less... lol

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yes, and maybe.behemoth, an elephant, would have been on the ark.
leviathan, an animal associated with water, especially the sort of the flood, would not.

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always. for instance, i'm sure this was meant to be directed at me. however, i'll answer the question anyways. yes.

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i dunno about you, but the nile floods every year. floods happen all the time.now, a worldwide flood may be a fiction, but that doesn't stop the story from essentially being originally patterned after a true event of much smaller stature. there is evidence that a few thousand years back, several cities in mesopotamia all flooded at about the same time. this could what spawned the story in gilgamesh and the bible.

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i used to, but then they banned me from mirc. does the bible say it did? i can't find this mt everest business in my copy. no, they're not really. but that doesn't mean that's not how the story got started. when did i pretend the bible was a credible source? i'm pretty i spent some time arguing faith that it was, in fact, not. *shrugs* i'm ok with it if you are.

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ah, so i stand corrected. i sort of thought it indicated it somewhere... yes, you would. or maybe the wanted the right spin on the babylonian story. i shouldn't try to write posts on no sleep. i'm pretty sure there was supposed to be a "sure" in there. cause i think jesus was a groovy kind of guy. seem that way, yes. we do exist, apparently.

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well. he lived on the street, had long hair, wore sandals, smelled funny, and told us love is all you need.sounds like a hippy to me.

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drugs.