How can Biologists believe in the ToE?

If it was a God thing, then God manipulated the resultant evidence in such away that a honest and objective investigator would conclude otherwise.Now why would God ever do that?The proof that the world is old and a world wide flood did not happen a few thousands years ago is under your feet.

Vashgun please don't embarrass yourself this way. Let's have a look... "Someone from the Internet" named Doreen recently reported this fantastic evidence.... Wow.And look there is also picture.... A picture of plastic dino in the grass.....These people are out to fool the fools. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

err what story. I don't have a story. Need I remind you that the evidence is on par with leprechauns and fairies and unicorns?Why would you believe in things with absolutely no physical evidence or evidence that is obviously tampered or contrived.Some people sadly are motivated to perpetuate lies and falsehoods for some form of internal gain. I just don't understand it.The website you provided is absolutely stupid and designed to snare the unwary and undiscerning.Do you really believe that an animal of this size could go unnoticed for this long?Think critically about this for a minute and estimate the tonnage of food that such animal would require each day. Think about about the range required to support a group of these animals. Think about the large number of dino tracks that would be made around a water holes that would have to go undetected. Think why no one has ever presented the remains of such an animal - a single fresh bone would be more valuable then ivory. Think about why this animal this size never finds itself in within the frame of a camera lens. Think about why the sources promoting are obviously trying to misinform...For example, on your referenced site they display this image without any legend or caption.It is obviously a picture of a plastic kids toy dino taken with a backdrop of weeds.Why would they do that?

We all should be mod-slapped ! But I must make one small point Vashgun a very common misconception that the Young Earth Creationist attempt to promote is that modern geology disallows rapid deposition. Not at all - it is really a crazy strawman. The flawed thinking is that if they can show examples of rapid deposition this somehow disproves modern geology. Deposition rates can vary from 10's feet an hour to 1/4 inch a decade. Forests can and do get buried upright quickly and sometimes over decades.This is not proof of a flood and perhaps proof against a flood since upright buried trees are found in a variety of different states ranging from completely fossilized (including agate) to coal to non-fossilized. There are even pictures of a recently uncovered forest in Michigan that was over 10000 years old that was cut with a chainsaw. If all forests were buried at the same time by the same mechanism you would expect they would be found in a similar state. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

You must never have been exposed to a scientific/academic environment.Yes there are big egos involved and maybe even peer pressure. However in the end what really matters is correspondence to the data. Accolades and honors are bestowed to those who innovate or go counter to established paradigm and advance new theories, equations or models that better match the data.Secondly on a personal level integrity and honesty are paramount. Any evidence of dishonesty, unethical manipulations or even ineptitude in the reporting of results or data can be career ending.Your comment... is really unsupported and baseless. It is really naive to think that there are a cadre of scientist who "discover the truth and act to suppress it" in order to maintain some godless status quo. This is especially true when you sit around and enjoy all the fruits of scientific progress. If the scientific world is inhabited by people of such dubious integrity why has science been so successful in explaining the nature of world and elevating the general living standards of all?On the contrary within the religious communities fraud, deception, half-truths, false prophecies are tolerated and overlooked. For example, if you ever read the rubbish produced by renown "scholar" Josh McDowell or more recently his son and cannot detect a smorgabord of logical fallacies and implied assertions you are not paying attention. Further I have had exposure to pentecostal style churches before in which they churn out prophecies by the dozen: most fail miserably and those that don't are paraded around as confirmation and repeated and embellished on and on (ie confirmation bias). Recently in my own home town some pentecostal knuckleheads started "receiving Gemstones from Heaven". Go to YouTube and type in "Gemstones from Heaven" and watch a few of these videos produced by Patricia King of Extreme Prophetic.I investigated this whole affair and wrote up my experiences here... Gemstones from Heaven in IdahoThe point is that within these groups there is very little skepticism and skepticism is not tolerated or encouraged, which leads to these kinds of abuses. Skeptics or out-the-box thinkers in the religious communities are burned at the stake, excommunicated or if they are lucky start their own cult. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

It is just when you make statements like... It is somewhat apparent. Immature mocking response lacking any substance or quality.I just explained in the prior post the value of honesty and integrity within the scientific community. And now you claim that "from [my] perspective the unethical ones would be those who blab".If you are going to be flippant then don't even attempt a response.I will restate the point. It is uncharacteristic, unrealistic and unsupported that there is a cadre of scientists who "discover the truth but act to suppress it". This is a myth the YECers pass around in close circles.

I have never pretended to disagree. I have don't have a clue what you are talking about.Your quote You are the one pretending. Here you are mockingly pretending a position that I would not take. Didn't even hint at it.This is dishonest discourse. What the hell are you talking about? Try to be clear and precise and unambiguous. Comparing Law with Science is comparing Apples to Oranges.How many scientist are found out taking payment on the side by evolutionist underground consortium.As I pointed out before, if a scientist was able to falsify an existing theory or propose a new theory, equation or model that better matches the data that individual would he heralded as a hero. There is no analogue within law. In law you are a hero if you can get a known criminal off the hook. You comparison falls flat. Does this happen often?Here is story where a college instructor is fired for making disparaging remarks about the creation myth.http://news.yahoo.com/...ollegeteachercreationistsgotmefiredThe Discovery Institute, CRI, etc are well funded. DI hands out something 60K fellowships to researchers. Want a job? get a degree and trying to sell creationism these folks will fund you. You mean like this... http://paleo.cc/paluxy/moab-man.htmYou will have to be specific if you want to make a point... From the Dark Matter wiki... "dark matter is hypothetical matter of unknown composition"From a NASA educational website "There is currently much ongoing research by scientists attempting to discover exactly what this dark matter is, how much there is, and what effect it may have on the future of the Universe as a whole"There is truth in the advertising. Dark Matter is speculative at the present time and presented as such.Edited by iceage, : No reason given.