How can Biologists believe in the ToE?

there is also an assumption that is not true in the first post of this topic:not all scientists believe in ToE. It is a general belief by many but that doesn't make it true.What happens it seems is that those that do not believe mostly stay silent on the matter do to ridicule from peers ( peer-pressure ) etc.If you watched the last installment of The Universe on Discovery in the first part of the show, the MIT professor even stated something to the effect that those who do not accept are generally looked at as nut-jobs.No one wants to lose there job after all. Creation Science is looked down on even when the science is good, just cause the word creation, much like how creationists must feel about going through school being taught a subject that isn't true but arguing about it only gets you removed from class.I would agree that over 50% ( but not over 65% ) of scientists believe in ToE and don't believe in a creator of any kind, but I would also say that there are a great number of scientists that do believe in a creator and in the ToE ( they are wrong or right depending on YOUR world view ) and then there is a % that believe in a creator and in Creation. ( and that number is growing )your reply of: is YOUR world view and judgment based on what you feel is fact. Not everyone believes in that "fact". Basically it appears that anyone that doesn't believe in that view is dumb while everyone that does is greatly more superior in understanding science... again... not true for everyone.Much of the same science that is done can point either way, its ones personal faith and belief that that drives those views when looking at the "facts" of the results.

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Er, how can a kid in school "know" that a subject "isn't true" before she has even learned anything about it? If the basis for her non-acceptance of Biology is religiously based, then she hasn't made a determination based upon rational assesment of the evidence.

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when you say that, this is what I was talking about. To dismiss out of hand based on what is accepted today as the rational. Remember the leading scientists of the days years ago thought the world was flat until shown other wise, there was only so many elements of The Periodic Table of Elements, until found otherwise ( Bromine (Br) atomic number 35 for instance ) and those were all facts in there days. The funny thing about the issue is that both ToE and ID start at the same unknown problem ( HOW did it start ).

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Creationists almost never do science, actually. They spend much of their time writing non-peer reviewed popular press books full of untruths and distortions of real scientists' work. The rest of their time they spend manouvering in local school politics to try to sneak their religious views into science classes.

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again the "real scientists" are brought up, the dumb ID scientists are just trying to stir up trouble ? I think real science is done on both sides and both sides have and issue of accepting that one thing listed above that neither side can prove as fact. For real Science we have to follow the Scientific Method both sides face serious problems in my opinon. notice the
4) Interpret data and draw conclusionsthat is what both sides do in there studys and research.now just for a moment lets say that ID's are wrong, that really changes nothing in the matter of "science" and "education" BUT what if the Evo's are wrong... thats a whole other issue. That would mean that all the "science" based on the theory must be looked at because to start with a falsehood can not lead to a right ending. Do I think this will ever happen ? of course not, this topic will rage forever. As long as man is here, this topic will be here.

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Tell me, Q, should the people believe who in alien abductions, that the Holocaust never happened, that the 9/11 WTC bombing was a Bush regime conspiracy be allowed to determine for our schools what is "fact"? After all, it is just their "worldview" that determines what they "feel" is fact, right?

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we are talking about science not conspiracys, there is diffrance.

I am not a fence-splitter ( or what I now like to now call "A Frank Collins" lol)I will say I started on one side, slide to the other at some point, then sat on the fence for a few years while I did some personal research and made a desicion.I dont subscribe to Evolution. But I'm also not your typical ID'r either. I really dont get to upset about alot of things that are said, there is no need to honestly. I can play on both sides when talking, I dont see my side and say yours is ABSOLUTLY WRONG!! omgz DIAF!! BURN!! lol. Most of my co-workers and friends are ToE staunch belivers ( even a few with some rather... interesting? topics heh ) I do belive in ID, but that dosnt mean I dont read and watch shows and research ToE, you have to do that to make up your own mind, dont you think ?

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Question: are you an IDist OR a christian?
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I am a Christian. Yes I believe in ID by God. but why do you ask that question specifically ?I am not a Deist if that was what you were wondering from the ID aspect.But, you wont find me quoting The Bible much in posts, you wont find me making references to Biblical aspects of this topic either. Thats never made to much sense to me ( personally ).I honestly try to stay away from that area when in the arena of E vs ID. but as I stated in another post, I guess that makes me not your typical Christian IDer. Normally when I am asked about my faith, I simply say I'm a Creationist.

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