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Theodoric
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Message 1801 of 1957 (905129)
01-18-2023 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1798 by Phat
01-18-2023 7:43 PM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
No, I am not mad at god you idiot. I have no belief in a god, it is merely a swear word. Go ahead and read into it what you want, you would be wrong. I have never had a belief in a god, except when I was a child and believed in Santa, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny too. I believed in them the exact same way and remember when I thought adults were idiots for still believing in a god.
So go mind you own damn business.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 1802 of 1957 (905130)
01-18-2023 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1801 by Theodoric
01-18-2023 8:54 PM


Theo: Belief Is Nobodies Damn Business
Theogruffidic writes:
So go mind you own damn business.
Perhaps you are worried that GDR might persuade Percy to become more of a Theist. That would certainly be worrisome if any of the peanut gallery defected from your global marxist oligarchy.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Theodoric
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Message 1803 of 1957 (905132)
01-18-2023 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1802 by Phat
01-18-2023 11:01 PM


Re: Theo: Belief Is Nobodies Damn Business
I don't care what Percy's beliefs are. I don't care what my wife's beliefs are(she is a christian). They are allowed to believe what they want. I have no desire to have them have the same belief set as I do. That would be amazingly stupid as we have vastly different life experiences. I would never ask or demand of my wife to tell me what her religious beliefs are. If that is something she wants to share, then she shares. Belief sets are some of the most personal things people have and yes it is no ones damn business. The reason your beliefs and GDR's beliefs are our business is because both of you made it our business by posting about your beliefs.
It is amazing how clueless and idiotic you are. After 20 years you have learned nothing. Not even what this forum is about.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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nwr
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Message 1804 of 1957 (905134)
01-18-2023 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1802 by Phat
01-18-2023 11:01 PM


Re: Theo: Belief Is Nobodies Damn Business
Perhaps you are worried that GDR might persuade Percy to become more of a Theist.
Why would anybody worry about that?
That would certainly be worrisome if any of the peanut gallery defected from your global marxist oligarchy.
There isn't any "global marxist oligarchy".

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Phat
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Message 1805 of 1957 (905135)
01-18-2023 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1803 by Theodoric
01-18-2023 11:30 PM


Re: Theo: Belief Is Nobodies Damn Business
This forum is about debate and discussion. It is about free speech. And at its root it is about evolution and creationism. God is an integral part of that discussion. The fact that you dont like to hear "preaching" in no way concerns me. If you dont like a topic, ignore it rather than inserting your mouth into it and demanding that a moderator silence me. For the record...yes, you have every right to tell me to mind my own damn business when it pertains to you personally. You have every right to dig up dirt on Candace Owens and protect Representative Ocasio Cortez. Its called freedom of speech. Our only guideline in our free speech is not to hate or slander others. In our forum, we apply that primarily to our personal members. Public figures such as Trump, Biden and Cortez (and Owens) are expected to be criticized a bit more by the public than are EvC Forum members.
So yes, I DO know what this forum is about. *points to rock and motions Theodoric to go back under it*

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Phat
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Message 1806 of 1957 (905136)
01-19-2023 1:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1804 by nwr
01-18-2023 11:36 PM


Choosing A Faith Remix
nwr writes:
There isn't any "global marxist oligarchy".
I knew that that comment would stir something up!
Lest we stray off topic too much, lets steer back to GDR's original intent concerning choosing a faith. Keep in mind that choosing a faith is to a lesser degree choosing a world view and an ideology. Though its hard, it might be better to seperate politics from religion in this definition.
I just finished my latest book, The War On The West and will discuss both Faith and Politics in my Book Nook topic.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Theodoric
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Message 1807 of 1957 (905142)
01-19-2023 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1805 by Phat
01-18-2023 11:42 PM


Re: Theo: Belief Is Nobodies Damn Business
Please point out when I requested a moderator to silence you? That does not sound like something I would do, but maybe I have.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 1808 of 1957 (905144)
01-19-2023 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1796 by GDR
01-18-2023 5:35 PM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
GDR writes:
You are happy to attack my beliefs and the beliefs of others, but you don't have the courage to tell us what it is you believe and why.
I am only questioning one of your beliefs, the one that holds that there is evidence for what you believe.
I don't see how what I believe spiritually is relevant. I never, ever think about these beliefs unless I'm in a conversation like this, and then I pull them out and examine them and familiarize myself with them again and find them interesting and unusual. They don't guide my life in any way. I would think it silly to tell them to anyone unless they said they wanted to know, as you did. They aren't something I would ever promote or defend.
A more accurate statement of my beliefs is that there is a purpose to the universe, but we don't know what that purpose is, and we don't know if we have any role in it or are just along for the ride. And I have one nod to outside influences: God looks like the image on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. I do have evidence for this belief, since a man of great talent, integrity and esteem painted it, and he wouldn't just make it up. Ah, the fallacy of appeal to authority, gotta love it.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 1809 of 1957 (905145)
01-19-2023 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1807 by Theodoric
01-19-2023 8:07 AM


Re: Theo: Belief Is Nobodies Damn Business
Theodoric writes:
Please point out when I requested a moderator to silence you? That does not sound like something I would do, but maybe I have.
I can see any number of people making such a request but with the probable motivation of something like "protective custody."
--Percy

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Theodoric
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Message 1810 of 1957 (905147)
01-19-2023 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1809 by Percy
01-19-2023 9:06 AM


Re: Theo: Belief Is Nobodies Damn Business
I have complained about people and I have demanded people stay on topic and follow forum rules, but request a poster to be silenced. That is a mighty strong accusation.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 1811 of 1957 (905149)
01-19-2023 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1810 by Theodoric
01-19-2023 9:24 AM


Re: Theo: Belief Is Nobodies Damn Business
Perhaps I conflated your responses collectiively. You *did* always send me back under my rock but I laughed and said the same thing to you. No harm no foul.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Theodoric
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Message 1812 of 1957 (905151)
01-19-2023 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1811 by Phat
01-19-2023 9:33 AM


There is harm, there is foul
No. Bullshit. There is harm, there is a foul. You publicly, on this forum, accused me of asking Admin to silence you. You accused me of dishonesty. That is a lie. You admit it is a lie. There are few things in life I truly own. My honor, integrity, and honesty are some of them. You have impugned and attacked that.
If you can not make valid, logical, and non-fallacious arguments, I am going to call you and anyone else on that. If you think that is an attack, that is your problem. If you don't want to get called out on your racist, christian nationalist, dominionist bullshit, then don't post it. But do not ever accuse me of trying to get admin to silence you.
If you make an accusation you damn well better have the receipts.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 1813 of 1957 (905152)
01-19-2023 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1812 by Theodoric
01-19-2023 9:51 AM


Re: There is harm, there is foul
You are such a whiner and are a poster child forr the victim mentality of the Liberal progressives. I doubt whether you ever actually read any of the books whose authors you call racist. The modus operendi of your political platform is to gather together all of the people who self identify as oppressed and aim your wrath at conservatives due to their privilege which you whine about since you claim it is unearned. Your rock awaits.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 1814 of 1957 (905155)
01-19-2023 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1800 by Phat
01-18-2023 7:59 PM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Maybe you don't realize how frustrating it is dealing with the same old crap from you guys year after year. It's like trying to house-train a puppy - but the puppy never learns.
Could it be that you dont own the house that the puppy is trying to mark as his territory? Just sayin
Just sayin' the same old crap that I'm talking about. Could you EVER get the point?
It has NOTHING to do with "who owns the house".

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Phat
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Message 1815 of 1957 (905156)
01-19-2023 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1814 by ringo
01-19-2023 10:43 AM


Re: I Again Think GDR has Given Up On This Thread
It has to do with what is being taught in the house. This puppy does not want masters who know nothing about what they are trying to train and teach.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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