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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
I know you can't because you have no argument.
I couldn't be bothered. Dredge writes:
No. If you have an argument, bring it here in your own words.
Read the article I provided Dredge writes:
I, on the other hand, conclude that YOU can NOT read English with any kind of comprehension. I assume u can read English.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
What difference does it make? The road to Hell is paved with good intentions - i.e. bad intentions with good results are better than good intentions with bad results.
What matters is our hearts and minds. Do we really do the things we do because we actually care about others or do we do it for show or maybe to relieve a guilty conscience?quote: GDR writes:
The things that we do are symptoms of what is in our hearts and minds. The thigs that we do or don't do are symptoms of what matters. What believers claim about what is in their hearts and minds is all too often false.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
If there is a "general consensus", why do we have to be "called" to do it? Also there is a generally consensus that we should all live by the golden rule and that isn't going happen if we live a life of making bad decisions for selfish reasons. Specifically as a Christian, it is my belief that is what we are called to. Edited by ringo, . Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Orighinal sin is bullshit. Swimming in it is what makes you cough.
*cough* original sin *cough*.. Phat writes:
Surprise, surprise. Original sin is another term you don't understand. Your original sin is throwing Jesus away ... 1. I do not have my own "original sin". Original sin was (supposedly) Adam and Eve's sin. Everybody (supposedly inherited the same sin from them.2. Adam and Eve did not throw Jesus away. 3. YOU are the one who throws Jesus away. I have much more respect for the historical Jesus (such as He is) than you do. Phat writes:
1. All evidence is secular. ... and declaring secular evidence based thinking as a superior model.2. Evidence-based thinking IS the superior model. You're packing so much stupid into one sentence that it's hard for even me to shoot fast enough.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
That's an empty claim. The consensus is formed because of the call on all humanity.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
That's an extremely stupid statement, even for you. Its only empty because *you* have emptied your head of belief. It's an empty claim because IT is empty. WHAT "call on humanity"? HOW does a "call on humanity" produce a consensus in humanity?
Phat writes:
My heart doesn't heed any call. The idea that there IS a "call' is empty. Thankfully, your heart still heeds the call... My BRAIN has been trained to feel empathy. YOU are trying desperately to untrain your brain. You brain is full of bullshit. It flows down your arms and through your fingers onto your keyboard.
Phat writes:
I don't worry about you. You're hopelessly lost. I only post to you in the hope that nobody will follow you into enthusiastic goathood. I don't worry about you as much as you do me.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Well, that isn't what Genesis says. It was GOD who said, "They have become like one of us." Eve's intention was just to provide a nice piece of fruit for her man. Original sin simply means that you were born with a pre-installed desire to be your own "god." And even if we were born with the sin of liking fruit, it isn't 'my" sin, as you claimed. It's EVERYBODY's sin.
Phat writes:
GOD said so.
It also means that you see things as right in your own eyes... Phat writes:
I mock YOUR foolish attempts at describing and defining a God that YOU made up.
and mock any human attempts to describe and or define a God who knows better than you (or any human) how your life will play out... Phat writes:
Make up your mind. Am I trying to avoid responsibility or am i trying to usurp responsibility?
... and how it is your responsibility to think about who or what you follow. Phat writes:
I also have my own shoes. And i have my own email account. And i have my own cellphone. ringo writes: You have your own stubbornness and ego. I do not have my own "original sin". But I DO NOT have my own original sin, as I said.
Phat writes:
That's no more "brazen" than saying 1 + 1 = 2.
You brazenly say things like "Jesus doesnt exist, or Jesus isnt alive today, or Jesus was a human amalgamation... Phat writes:
See, as i have mentioned before, you're a creationist with a very thin coat of paint.
...a character invented by we evolved monkeys. Phat writes:
What's stupid about that question?
You ask stupid questions like "How do you(meaning I) know which God is the real one.. Phat writes:
But you never do. You run away from every question as if nobody had ever replied to you.
I could go on... Phat writes:
And the point of what I said is... YOU don't. You clain to believe in Jesus - but not the Jesus in a book written, edited, and redacted by humans. You only believe in a Jesus made up by the Almighty Phat. What hubris!
ringo writes:
​Big deal. You have respect for a book written, edited, and redacted by humans. I have much more respect for the historical Jesus (such as He is) than you do. Phat writes:
Nonsense. My respect has nothing to do with belief. YOUR contempt is in SPITE of your professed beliefs.
Your claims of respect are empty by your own beliefs. Phat writes:
I keep telling you that but you keep insisting that Jesus was around from the beginning. make up your mind.
ringo writes:
Adam and Eve never had Jesus tto begin with Adam and Eve did not throw Jesus away. Phat writes:
GOD's eyes.
Their original sin was allowing themselves to be wise in their own eyes. Phat writes:
That's "kit AND kaboodle". No wonder you threw the Holy Baby, bathwater, and kitten kaboodle out the window. And YOU are the one who throws Jesus out the window.
Phat writes:
I maintain that I AM alive, so choosing evidence has not been a problem. You picked knowledge(evidence) over life(Jesus) Edited by ringo, . Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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GDR writes:
Phat is here for the martyrdom.
The put downs that Phat survives here over the years... GDR writes:
Maybe you don't realize how frustrating it is dealing with the same old crap from you guys year after year. It's like trying to house-train a puppy - but the puppy never learns. ... it is really disappointing to see it in Percy.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Just sayin' the same old crap that I'm talking about. Could you EVER get the point? ringo writes:
Could it be that you dont own the house that the puppy is trying to mark as his territory? Just sayin Maybe you don't realize how frustrating it is dealing with the same old crap from you guys year after year. It's like trying to house-train a puppy - but the puppy never learns. It has NOTHING to do with "who owns the house".Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Then DISCUSS.
This forum is about debate and discussion. Phat writes:
At it's root it's about thinking and not thinking.
And at its root it is about evolution and creationism. Phat writes:
But you don't discuss. You only opinionate. God is an integral part of that discussion.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You're an idiot. The modus operendi of your political platform is to gather together all of the people who self identify as oppressed and aim your wrath at conservatives due to their privilege which you whine about since you claim it is unearned.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Then why did you bring up that nonsense about "who owns the house"?
It has to do with what is being taught in the house. Phat writes:
What's being taught is don't mess up the house.
It has to do with what is being taught in the house. Phat writes:
It doesn't matter what the puppy wants. If the puppy can't be trained, it goes back to the pound.
This puppy does not want masters who know nothing about what they are trying to train and teach. Phat writes:
But they DO know what they're trying to teach. You're afraid to discuss what they're trying to teach. This puppy does not want masters who know nothing about what they are trying to train and teach.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Nonsense. I am currently re-reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer. It's based on TONS of documents captured from the Nazis after the war. Every book ever written is based on the opinion of the author. We know that YOU only read books full of empty opinions but don't tar every book with the same dirty brush that you use.
Phat writes:
For the umpteenth time, a discussion addresses rebuttals of the opinion.
Furthermore, whats different about a discussion and an opinion? Phat writes:
No. It is not for "later" criticism and peer review. It is for ongoing discussion. And peer review has nothing to do with it. A discussion is when two or more insert their informed (or uninformed) opinions into the record of the discussion for later criticism and peer review. Without ongoning discussion, you are not discussing. Discuss the rebuttals. Stop grave-digging old PRATTS.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
And your IQ is 9, so how could you possibly understand what the grown-ups are talking about? So-called Christians who don't believe in the Real Presence aren't true Christians. Their watered-down version of Christianity is unbiblical, amateurish, erroneous and fake.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Jesus is impersonal to most. He only makes an impression on a small minority.
Gravity is an impersonal force. It makes no impression upon human behavior. Jesus, by contrast, is (according to scripture) The living truth. Phat writes:
The only way to the Father is by the way, the truth and the light. The way is by following the commandments, principally by loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.
The only way to "The Father"..ie GOD. Phat writes:
I, for one, constantly counsel you NOT to throw the book away.
you may well counsel me to "throw the book away" Phat writes:
Thinking you have the final answer is a trap.
When one thinks they have the final answer, they do not simply throw it away or set it aside in the hopes of a more favorable answer. We see it as a trap. Phat writes:
Of course you couldn't possibly know that. I only claim to know one thing. He knows everything.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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