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Message 1080 of 3694 (900008)
10-22-2022 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1078 by PaulK
10-22-2022 2:52 AM


Emmaus
It is interesting - apart from not knowing where Emmaus was - that the disciples knew the women saw angels and an empty tomb, but not Mattew's claim the women actually met and embraced Jesus while running from the tomb - an unimportant detail they did not bother to tell them? One of the many contradictions in the accounts of the crucial event for Christians.

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Message 1117 of 3694 (900253)
10-25-2022 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1115 by PaulK
10-25-2022 12:53 AM


Re: What does God want of Us
Luke does not have the women meeting Jesus. It is in Matthew's account and the disciples are told to go to Galilee. The curious thing in Luke is the women saw angels and an empty tomb but didn't meet Jesus. At least one account is wrong.

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Message 2604 of 3694 (911680)
07-22-2023 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 2601 by candle2
07-22-2023 5:13 PM


Re: God created evolution
Hi Candle2
There is so much in your post it is hard to know where to begin.
If RM dating is so unreliable why haven’t those using it realised it?
After all it’s been around for decades and for C14 alone they’re prepared to spend around $600 per test at one of the more than 100 labs around the world.
The Mt St Helen’s date is an old Furphy. Erupted lava can carry old rock from what it is erupting through so specimens for dating need to be selected carefully, and the method used was not suitable for recent events. Volcanism in general presents enormous problems for YEC.
There is no obvious reason why water coming and going in the Flood should alter RM decay rates except it is necessary to maintain YEC, and then there’s the problem of getting rid of all the heat.
I’d like to discuss Lake Malawi in my next post.

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Message 2605 of 3694 (911682)
07-23-2023 2:12 AM


Lake Malawi
Lake Malawi in Africa is deep enough for the silt at the bottom to be undisturbed by animals boring into it because of anoxia. It was drilled primarily to assess climate. Approximately 500 m of core was extracted, with sedimentary rock below.
Carbon dating the upper core showed a fairly linear increase of age with depth to 50,000 years at 28 metres. At 42 metres is a layer of volcanic ash from the eruption of Toba 74,000 years ago.
At 168 m and 242 m are volcanic ash dated about 580,000 and 900,000 years ago.
Candle2 : This is exactly what would be expected with long age and unchanged RM decay rates and fairly uniform sedimentation rates.
Why should I not consider that good evidence supporting standard science?
What would you expect to see in a short age situation?

  
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Message 2614 of 3694 (911762)
07-25-2023 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 2606 by candle2
07-24-2023 2:14 PM


Re: Ape shit
Candle2, you repeatedly assert RM dating is unreliable without any evidence, and don’t address the contrary evidence that is put forward.
Toba volcano eruption dated at 74000 years ago is rated as the biggest eruption in about the last million years. It put a thick layer of ash on India. with human artefacts found above and also below.
In Greenland ice cores annual layers can be counted to at least 80,000. A strong increase in volcanic products can be seen at 74 000 years ago, just where expected for Toba
To me, this shows support for the validity of RMD. What does it show you?
Around the world both on land and sea there are chains of old volcanoes that have been dated and found to have increasing dates from end to end consistent with the rate of movement of their tectonic plate.
There is a chain up the East coast of Australia ranging from 6 to 33 million years over more than 2000 km. These are the unerupted plugs left when the volcano dies and the cone is eroded away.
The increase in dates is consistent with the rate of movement of the Australian tectonic plate.
Why should I not regard this as good support for RMD?
Toba also shows humanity goes back further than 6,000 years.

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Pollux
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Message 2615 of 3694 (911764)
07-26-2023 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 2614 by Pollux
07-25-2023 11:51 PM


Re: Ape shit
Further to the above, a term often seen in recent geology articles is “high-precision U-Pb dating”.
Apparently those scientists who pay good money for dates that they are mostly going to throw away think they can fool more people by pretending greater accuracy!????

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Message 2666 of 3694 (912009)
08-08-2023 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 2661 by candle2
08-07-2023 9:06 AM


Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
Hi Candle 2
It seems we wait in vain for an answer to why I should not accept the scientific evidence for long age, so a different question.
How does Satan know my weaknesses, and how does he whisper in my ear?
There are 8,000,000,000 people in the world so how much time can he spend on me?
Is there a text to say his fellow angels can do the work.
I am genuinely interested in getting a reply to this.

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Message 2706 of 3694 (912101)
08-14-2023 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 2703 by candle2
08-13-2023 4:12 PM


Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
Hi candle2
You are lightly dismissing RMD but have not responded to my request to be shown why I should not regard the evidence from Lake Malawi and volcanic chains as supportive evidence.
One would think that after many decades of using RMD those involved would realise if it were unreliable.
Your idea of FARM to explain fossil evidence does not work. It does not explain the evidence for 5 major and many minor extinction events for a start. Why didn’t the pterodactyls fly higher than the rest of the dinosaurs climbed? How did modern plants manage to
be only in higher layers?
YEC writers can not agree on where in the geologic layers is the Flood. For any one writer’s chosen level you can use the words of the others to show it is wrong.
If you know conventional dating is so flawed go to RAZD’s thread Age Correlations for an Old Earth and refute it.
And I would still like to know how Satan tempts me.

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Pollux
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Message 2756 of 3694 (912195)
08-19-2023 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 2753 by candle2
08-19-2023 4:46 PM


Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
Hi candle2
The old age of MSH volcanic products has been explained to you. Volcanoes can entrain old rock the lava is erupting through so specimens for dating need to be selected properly.
Why should I not accept the evidence I mentioned from Lake Malawi and volcanic chains as supporting RMD?

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Message 2757 of 3694 (912196)
08-19-2023 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 2754 by dwise1
08-19-2023 6:50 PM


Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
Thank you for your reply to candle2 dwise1
Best wishes for a full recovery from Covid

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Message 2793 of 3694 (912262)
08-22-2023 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 2773 by candle2
08-22-2023 11:50 AM


Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
Sorry candle 2 but I still don’t know how Satan tempts me. I hear no voices in my ear, no being stands before me, and my heart has nothing to do with my thoughts.
So how does he do it?
Does he read my mind and then manipulate my cerebral synapses? If so how?
Bringing others to tempt me only pushes the problem onto them.
How much omniscience and omnipresence does he have?
I can’t recall any texts to show his fellow angels can tempt people. Is there one?
In 2 Sam 24 it is God who stirs up David to number Israel. The subsequent punishment of killing 70,000 men plus presumably women and children for doing it seems a tad over the top.

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Pollux
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Message 2814 of 3694 (912288)
08-23-2023 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 2808 by candle2
08-23-2023 3:44 PM


Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
Hi candle2
Let’s see if I’ve got it.
Satan can’t read minds but he knows what he’s doing when he messes with our mind.
He is not omniscient but he can monitor the activities of huge numbers of people.
Or is the correct answer to “How does Satan tempt us?” “ I don’t know “?

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Message 2824 of 3694 (912308)
08-24-2023 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 2816 by candle2
08-24-2023 8:46 AM


Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
I’m getting old and doddery candle 2 so please be patient with me.
My brain is a complex thing with a huge number of cells multiply interconnected by electrical activity along the nerves. From this I perceive the world and have my thoughts.
It seems to me that the way Satan tempts must be by tweaking this brain activity to produce wrong thoughts, and so must be able to
read my mind to that extent.
Anything else would seem to be outside of normal Physics
What am I missing?

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Pollux
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Message 2830 of 3694 (912340)
08-25-2023 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2826 by candle2
08-25-2023 12:49 PM


Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
So candle 2, you don’t know just how Satan tempts us.
That’s okay, I can live with that.

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Message 2831 of 3694 (912343)
08-25-2023 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2827 by candle2
08-25-2023 2:09 PM


Re: Evolution "Blind Chance"
The early geologists were Bible-believers looking for evidence for the Flood who realised it was not there.
A Flood doesn’t explain the evidence for 5 major and many minor extinctions, and recent Ice Ages for starters.
Somewhere in your view of the World’s history you have to fit in multiple magnetic pole reversals, plate tectonics, and dozens of large igneous provinces such as the Siberian and Deccan traps.
The Seventh-Day Adventist Church set up the Geoscience Research Institute to study Flood and YEC issues. In 2010 they reported that after 50 years they could not explain the way the fossil record is by a YEC Flood paradigm.
The fossil record is consistent with evolution occurring. If it is God-directed, the problem is “which God?”. He/She/They are comfortable with the occasional mass extinction.

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