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Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 603 of 2932 (899869)
10-20-2022 12:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 592 by dwise1
10-20-2022 11:24 AM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
dwise1 writes: And if you were an actual creationist (instead of just a fake one) then you would know that even in the case of life arising through natural physical processes that the Creator had created those very processes, so life arising through natural processes would not in any way contradict the Creator. But being a clueless fake creationist, that would never have occurred to you.
No one will ever be able to demonstrate that life arose "through natural physical processes", so your point is irrelevant.
if you were an actual creationist
What is an "actual creationist"?
fake creationist
Qu’est-ce qu'un "fake creationist"?
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 604 of 2932 (899871)
10-20-2022 12:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 593 by dwise1
10-20-2022 11:26 AM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
dwise1 writes: What a fucking idiot you are!
Hang on ... there's only room for one idiot on this site and that's me.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 605 of 2932 (899874)
10-20-2022 12:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 602 by ringo
10-20-2022 12:04 PM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
ringo writes: Don't be silly. Dredge wouldn't recognize the word "stochastic" if it sat down beside him in church
Stochastic was a famous Greek philosopher from Athens who is credited as the founder of Western philosophy and among the first moral philosophers of the ethical tradition of thought. He died in 399BC by being forced to drink poison (as a form of capital punishment).
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 609 of 2932 (899910)
10-21-2022 12:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 608 by dwise1
10-20-2022 2:02 PM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
dwise1 writes: Yes, it could happen. AND IT DOES HAPPEN QUITE REGULARLY! While you individually may not win the lottery, somebody always does! ... The game I play in California ... has its odds which I have calculated. I calculate my probability of winning SuperLotto as 2.414515×10-8, or 1 in 41,417,353.
You didn't read my post with due care and attention ... I referred to the odds of the same person winning the lottery 1000 times in a row. In which case (based on your calculations), the value of P would be (2.414515×10-8)¹⁰⁰⁰ ... or 2.414515×10-8000 ... or 1 in 41417353¹⁰⁰⁰. In other words, a statistical impossibility.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 612 of 2932 (899916)
10-21-2022 2:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 610 by AZPaul3
10-21-2022 1:34 AM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
AZPaul3 writes: But I grant the point that in your simple pop-culture anti-science vernacular such a thing is "statistically impossible", though in fact it is possible just not at all probable.
As usual, you're presenting as a confused dementia patient (not ur fault) ... I didn't invent the term, "statistically impossible", which does not mean literally impossible. "A statistical impossibility is a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Sometimes it is quoted as 10−5010−50 although the cutoff is inherently arbitrary. Although not truly impossible the probability is low enough so as to not bear mention in a rational, reasonable argument." Forbidden - Stack Exchange.
Note: Rest assured that, no matter how badly your dementia advances and no matter how confused you get, I will remain your dear friend forever (dff). ????????
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 613 of 2932 (899917)
10-21-2022 2:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 612 by Dredge
10-21-2022 2:48 AM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Where did those "????????" come from?
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 614 of 2932 (899918)
10-21-2022 3:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 610 by AZPaul3
10-21-2022 1:34 AM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
AZPAul3 writes: I didn't check your math because, like Kleinman's math, it's useless.
I'm sure the brilliant Kleinman's math ( sic) is far from useless ... not to mention unbiased and eminently professional and trustworthy ... unlike the usual maths proffered by Darwinists cult members, high on the fumes of atheistic fairy-tales.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 615 of 2932 (899919)
10-21-2022 3:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 611 by dwise1
10-21-2022 2:26 AM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
dwise1 writes: you still have not presented your math model! Without the proper math model for the system you're examining, all you're doing is throwing meaningless numbers around randomly. WHAT IS THE MATH MODEL FOR YOUR "PROBABILITY CALCULATIONS"? Without a model, your numbers are absolutely meaningless.
With all due respect, explaining how P (natural abiogenesis) < 0 is arrived at mathematically would be lost on you ... for the simple (no pun intended) reason that no atheist can understand the mathematics of God.
Instead, you should study up on research in abiogenesis. With the knowledge that you will gain you will be able to formulate a math model.
Well now you're just being silly. Everyone knows that abiogenesis researchers are seriously away with the fairies and are not to be taken seriously. They have nothing to teach anyone.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 628 of 2932 (899943)
10-21-2022 11:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 618 by AZPaul3
10-21-2022 6:17 AM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
AZPaul3 writes: A bunch of years ago the state of Texas added two additional numbers to their lotto choices. Now you could select numbers 51 and 52 in your lotto mix. The state lotto commission blanketed the state with ads showing two dancing ping-pong balls with “51” and “52” on them. The graphics and the voice over were about how great the lotto had become with “two more chances to win!”. It was aimed at folks like you, wasn't it. That sure would help get you to 1000 wins faster, right?
No ... it would take longer to get to 1000 wins, since the probability of drawing, say 6, correct balls from a total of 52 balls is less than drawing 6 correct balls from a total of 50 balls. The probability of drawing 6 correct balls from 50 balls is (1/50)×(1/49)×(1/48)×(1/47)×(1/46)×(1/45) or 1 in 1.14413×10¹⁰. The probability of drawing 6 correct balls from 52 balls is (1/52)×(1/51)×(1/50)×(1/49)×(1/48)×(1/47) or 1 in 1.46581×10¹⁰
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 629 of 2932 (899946)
10-21-2022 11:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 616 by vimesey
10-21-2022 3:37 AM
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vimesey writes: As has been pointed out to him very clearly, probability cannot be less than zero, and yet still he persists.
Not only is P (natural abiogenesis) < 0, but P (supernatural abiogenesis) > 1. But as I told you before, you can't understand the mathematics of God bcoz you're an atheist. Your natural laws and maths don't apply to the supernatural.
Kleinman must be so proud to have Dredge on his side.
Oh yeah ... my IQ is 9, whereas the redoubtable Kleinman's IQ would be 160+.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 630 of 2932 (899950)
10-21-2022 11:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 620 by Kleinman
10-21-2022 8:09 AM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Kleinman writes: That's your cue to call me "fool" and "idiot" in order to demonstrate your sparkling debating skills.
dwise1 is a sad case ... pathologically obsessed with creationists and theists. Not even his psychiatrist can help him.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 631 of 2932 (899952)
10-21-2022 12:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 625 by dwise1
10-21-2022 10:19 AM
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dwise1 writes: Well, self-professed hyper-genius MrIntelligentDesign's "new ID" is so superior because its probability can be as high as five. That's five times higher than puny normal math's maximum probability of a mere "one".
Wow. That is truly amazing.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 637 of 2932 (899964)
10-21-2022 1:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 632 by ringo
10-21-2022 12:19 PM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Dredge writes: Sometimes it is quoted as 10−5010−50...
ringo writes: What does that mean?
Sorry about the typo. It means 10-50 ... 10^-50 ... 1/10⁵⁰
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 638 of 2932 (899965)
10-21-2022 1:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 635 by nwr
10-21-2022 12:33 PM
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Dredge writes: P (natural abiogenesis) < 0, but P (supernatural abiogenesis) > 1. But as I told you before, you can't understand the mathematics of God bcoz you're an atheist. Your natural laws and maths don't apply to the supernatural.
nwr writes: So God is an incompetent moron with respect to mathematics.
You mock what you can't understand.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 639 of 2932 (899967)
10-21-2022 1:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 633 by ringo
10-21-2022 12:26 PM
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Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
ringo writes: So you admit that it's only "the mathematics of God" that you're using and not real mathematics.
Correct. You have no hope of understanding the mathematics of God coz you're an atheist.
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