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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Dredge
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Message 527 of 2926 (899749)
10-19-2022 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 523 by AZPaul3
10-18-2022 11:45 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Now all Arvin Ash needs to do is produce a viable organism from inanimate matter ... lest he be dismissed as just another delusional atheist bs-artist ... all talk and no action.

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Message 529 of 2926 (899757)
10-19-2022 5:01 AM
Reply to: Message 528 by AZPaul3
10-19-2022 4:45 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
So you don't understand that all abiogenesis theories are meaningless and worthless unless someone manages to produce a viable organism from inanimate matter?

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Message 531 of 2926 (899761)
10-19-2022 5:47 AM
Reply to: Message 530 by AZPaul3
10-19-2022 5:11 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
AZPaul3 writes:
What I understand is the area is an active area of research.
Fools chasing fairies at the bottom of the garden.
They should devote their talents and knowledge and time to something useful.

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Message 536 of 2926 (899768)
10-19-2022 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 535 by AZPaul3
10-19-2022 9:00 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
AZPaul3 writes:
We cannot produce life in the lab, yet.
I'm willing to bet you $1.55 that humans will never ever produce life from inanimate matter.

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Message 537 of 2926 (899769)
10-19-2022 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 535 by AZPaul3
10-19-2022 9:00 AM


Re: Not Just Math, Kleinman Doesn't Know Anything
AZPaul3 writes:
Like so many other God-protected impossible things for man to know … we will find out. We will produce life in the lab.
Goodness gracious. Is your psychiatrist aware that you're this delusional?
Only God knows how to perform abiogenesis - humans haven't got a hope in hell.

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Dredge
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Message 552 of 2926 (899791)
10-19-2022 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 547 by ringo
10-19-2022 12:10 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
ringo writes:
I have offered to bet you that we will produce life in the lab before your "savior" returns.
Oh boy, this is my lucky day! ... like stealing candy from a baby. The former is impossible and the latter is a certainty.

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Message 553 of 2926 (899792)
10-19-2022 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 545 by ringo
10-19-2022 11:53 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
ringo writes:
If you want to learn about all the action that IS going on in the field of abiogenesis, google it.
Action? What action? A bunch of idiotic dreamers concocting worthless hypotheses about how God performed the miracle of life isn't my idea of "action".
Wake me up when someone actually performs said miracle.

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Message 554 of 2926 (899793)
10-19-2022 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 543 by ringo
10-19-2022 11:45 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
ringo writes:
And there's no "panic" about it. I will gladly give you a kindergarten-level lesson in chemistry - in an appropriate topic. Try to be wrong (and stupid) about one thing at a time.
While you're at it, give me a kindergarten-level in spelling. "panick"?

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Dredge
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Message 555 of 2926 (899794)
10-19-2022 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 538 by AZPaul3
10-19-2022 9:15 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
AZPaul3 writes:
If you're going to do this then stop with the half measures.
A dinner, at an upscale restaurant, like Morton's Steakhouse, with wine and dessert for you, me and 2 guests. We'll put a $$ limit on the wine. Nothing over $100 a bottle. Your catholic, and a dumb catholic so I assume you have limited resouces.
Start saving those pennies.
Wow, you're a glutton for punishment, I must say. Not only are you inviting me to make a fool of you again, this time I'm going to empty your wallet as well!
By the way, since you don't have any friends, I will supply the "two guests". No worries, mate.
And I hope you like red wine coz you won't be buying us any of that sissy white stuff.

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Message 556 of 2926 (899796)
10-19-2022 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 543 by ringo
10-19-2022 11:45 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
ringo writes:
Abiogenesis is practically inevitable
An atheist fairy tale.

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Dredge
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Message 580 of 2926 (899832)
10-20-2022 12:53 AM
Reply to: Message 576 by ringo
10-19-2022 9:56 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
ringo writes:
Do you understand the difference between "improbable" and "impossible"?

Unless the probability is ZERO, it is possible.
The probability of life arising naturally from inanimate matter would be LESS than zero ... that's how IMPOSSIBLE it is (cf. the probability that Christ will return is 1 ... ie, a certainty).
ringo logic: "The probability of me winning the lottery one thousand times in row is not zero ... therefore it could happen." LOL!!
"A statistical impossibility is a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Sometimes it is quoted as 10−50 although the cutoff is inherently arbitrary. Although not truly impossible the probability is low enough so as to not bear mention in a rational, reasonable argument."
Forbidden - Stack Exchange.
Leave your embarrassing, anti-science, atheist fairy-tale behind and grow up.

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Dredge
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Message 582 of 2926 (899835)
10-20-2022 5:08 AM
Reply to: Message 581 by vimesey
10-20-2022 4:03 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
vimesey writes:
No probability is less than zero. Study a bit of maths.
The value of P can be less than zero ... just as IQ can be less than zero.

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Message 586 of 2926 (899848)
10-20-2022 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 583 by vimesey
10-20-2022 5:42 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Yes, the value of P ranges from 0 to 1. But the probability of abiogenesis occurring naturally is less than zero ... because producing life from inanimate matter is a not only a scientific impossibility, it is a miracle that only God can perform ... hence its miraculous and scientifically-impossible probability of less than zero.

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Dredge
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Message 589 of 2926 (899853)
10-20-2022 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 587 by vimesey
10-20-2022 8:07 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
vimesey writes:
you manage to contradict yourself
Well, of course it would seem like a contradiction to an atheist, for an atheist cannot understand the mathematics of God.
in 54 words.
I wouldn't know about that - I can't count that high.

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Message 594 of 2926 (899860)
10-20-2022 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 590 by dwise1
10-20-2022 11:11 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
dwise1 writes:
the "mathematics of God" ... It doesn't add up! ... we are atheists.
Thank you for proving my point.

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