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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Years ago, while in High School, I was a World War II buff. I bought that book. IIRC it was 1600 pages long and I never read it cover to cover. If you are referring to Hitler, I certainly dont see myself like him, though I can identify to a degree with the suffering of the German people in the twenties after the humiliating bill they were forced to pay from the allied powers. How would you feel, as a young man or woman, if you were born in debt?
Besides. as we always argue, there are two sides to every story. Hitler was, like Trump, a Populist. Hitler wrote Mein Kampf. Trump wrote The Art Of The Deal. Im sure if I studied further, I could see a bit of Trump in Hitler. I also will acknowledge that if the American people went through another Great Depression, they may feel like electing a Populist with lofty promises of restoration to greatness, but I also have faith in our system of government...in a two party system. Rationality has its place in life. The German people were neither rational nor reasonable. jar is right in that the bill will always get paid. The primary argument that I ascribe to in defense of the American people is that we are not the only ones who owe it. Were China the victorious power in a new war, we would not humiliate ourselves any further. We would be at the crossroads of history just as the German people were after the Great War. Edited by Phat, . Edited by Phat, : edited subtitle The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Look, we have enough trouble paying the bills we owe today. Dont drag up 150 year old treaties out of the hope chest and expect that we will find the money to pay them. All you Leftists want is more other leftists to join your cause and vote you in office for perpetuity.
There are plenty of moderate or even right wing thinkers in the South American population. Lets get them over here too...without promising the world a Rose garden.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Society as a whole will decide what is necessary. Damn right! Not some party that clings to power with a 5% majority. We will take the issue of reparations global and see how it plays out. I predict it will die. The planet has more pressing issues than bending over backwards to make every global citizen (financially) equal. Edited by Phat, : added financially The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Taq writes: We could, if we took into account that the experiment not only involved observation of the natural world but of our own communion with it and other people. The only "evidence" we would find would be our own reactions to our observations, our own feelings and thoughts on the data, and at the end of the day our choice in accepting or rejecting said Deity. In short, there will never be objective evidence of a Deity until and unless such a Deity chose to reveal it to us individually or collectively. If a deity were controlling the natural world why couldn't we use observations of the natural world to evidence the actions of this deity? The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
So?
Just because you cant establish evidence or distinguish a character from a myth doesn't change human behavior.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: Says who?
It's a US problem ONLY. ringo writes: Worry about your own nation. Over here, we are split roughly down the middle on these issues. You seem to think that one side writes the rules and the conclusions for everyone. They don't. (This applies to either side, by the way...depending on the specific issue.) It's about YOUR nation doing what's right. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Reality says nothing of the sort. Absence of evidence does not define the conclusion, especially if the story traveled worldwide and has so many adherents today. You may wish it were a myth, however.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Were the system (the two-party system) working as it should...as it used to work, the parties would have enough of a consensus to avoid spending 4 years trying to fully undo what the previous group did in their 4 years. (which was likely only a year or so's worth of work since *they* spent 3 years trying to undo the policies of the ones before them!
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
They have quite a ways to go to match Christianity or Islam.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Maybe in your list of definitions.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
nwr writes: I was never impressed with the story. Why aren't you a Mormon?The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Taq writes: No, but I'm familiar with it. In fact, I'll reread it now, so as to support the point you are trying to make. Have they taught you about the Argument from Popularity fallacy in the class you are taking? The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
According to History.com they are, too...though many Christians disagree, citing several reasons.
In order to respect the Appeal to Popularity fallacy, this fact alone does not disqualify Mormonism from "being Christian" but some facts from this article might. To wit:quote:Pleeease! quote:So what good are the other two levels? Remind me of the RCC concept of Purgatory! quote:Sounds a bit like Tritheism. quote:This is one of their more rational teachings and beliefs. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theo writes: Nice guys always finish last. Again your hate, bigotry and disrespect for the beliefs of others shines through.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Stile writes: Once you go down that rabbit hole, everything is mysterious, exquisite and beautiful Sometimes even terrifying!
I investigate "why does this happen?"And all the investigation ever shows is: Because of natural processes. And we learn more and more about fascinating, awe-inspiring natural processes. They're really beautiful. Stile writes: Its what fascinates you. No disrespect there.
I don't think they happened out of the blue by chance - I think they happened because of why they happened.I don't disregard any idea of an external intelligence - you've just never been able to show that an external intelligence actually exists in the first place. I cant show you. Besides, God would be boring to you anyway. Im sure you've read the book. Let alone that an external intelligence actually did anything. Perhaps He uses unbelievers to get anything useful done. Let alone on top of that - why an external intelligence did the things you seem to want them to. To be honest, I just want Her to make my life comfortable. The peanut gallery sees that and it reinforces their desire to join you down the rabbit hole looking at really cool stuff rather than searching for a higher authority. Who on earth would want to do that????
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