Choosing a faith

I watched it, even though it was put out by the Church Of God that you belong to. They get a bit dramatic with their stuff. I don't disbelieve that stuff nor do I fervently believe it.Thousand Year Millenniums are above my pay grade and simply not on my radar.I DO believe that humanity is in a spiritual conflict and that we become the decisions we make. I believe that accepting Jesus is a good move for anyone regardless of their beliefs.
That being said, I don't simply see a future where we all go forward holding hands and skipping into a thousand years of peace. Critics might ask why humanity cant do it without God.Time will tell if they have an argument. Personally I think humanity will never be strong enough on its own.Which is why Gods human character came to this world in the first place.

When you "copy the link" you are merely copying the name of the article found in the link.We ourselves have to google the name and find the actual link. A link by definition is something that one can click and upon so doing, get redirected to the site.
If you find a story or video that you want us to watch, describe it first. bare links are not encouraged. Once you find the link, simply type [url= followed by the link. before you type the name of the link, put a bracket, type the links name, and then follow up by [/url].Press peek to note the difference.What you said: Dr.Tour has a YouTube channel and many videos, but none of them have that specific title.Here is an actual link: Press peek to note the formatting difference. Science & Faith Podcast(Dr.Tour)I am not particularly impressed with him. He is a believer but his dogmatic stance on creationism is unappealing.

ICANT:

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For your information justification Greek δικαίωσις means the act of God declaring men from guilt and acceptable to him.

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This rings true to what I was taught. We are justified by Grace through Faith (Not Works) although once one realizes that God has saved them, they often cheerfully and willingly do good works. We were taught that justification equated to "Just as if I never sinned". We were made whole (reconciled) to God. Then comes sanctification, a process likely none of us has fully completed.

The act of sanctifying or making holy; in theology, the act of God's grace by which the affections are purified and the soul is cleansed from sin and consecrated to God.

The state of being sanctified, purified, or made holy; conformity of the heart and life to the will of God.

Consecration.

The act of sanctifying or making holy; the state of being sanctified or made holy. The act of consecrating, or of setting apart for a sacred purpose.

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Christians have many denominations and emphasis on certain beliefs and practices unique to their (club)denomination, but those led by the Spirit fall within the pail of orthodoxy and all largely agree.
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This does not sound right. Can you show me the source of this teaching?

Whatever are you talking about, C2??!! None of the scriptures you quoted say what you claim they said. Keep in mind that Jesus was often talking to Jews who lived by the law. The law is written on the hearts of those saved by Grace through Faith. We are not commanded to follow the laws but we are accountable and responsible for what we do since we have a renewed heart. Perhaps you can explain further. I am not a Hebrew scholar as is Pastor ICANT but much of what he says is understandable to me. You, on the other hand, come out of left field. Perhaps you need to read more scripture and listen less to teachers in your church.

I've gotta get in on this one!What specific lie are we talking about? DWise1 has a good argument that indicates that the specifics of Biblical Creationism are not backed by evidence.He does NOT have any such case against the Creator of all seen and unseen characterized by His eternally living Son...the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is alive...there is no doubt among believers and those who have met Him (In Spirit and truth)Perhaps you could clarify, GDR.

More of your cult's false teaching. Overview of Doctrinal Errors in Herbert Armstrong’s Mystery of the Ages
You are no more an Israelite than I am the man in the moon.

Being inoculated within your cult, you likely refused to even read the careful expose of Herbert W. Armstrong. I am aware that your church branched off from the original, but many of the false teachings of Armstrong are still evident in what you try and teach us.The very fact that you challenge an established Pastor such as ICANT shows that you have the same EGO and claim to revelations that old Herbert had. Why should anyone trust what you say when you simply spout the teachings of a discredited teacher such as Armstrong? Likely, your cult advises you that many in traditional Christianity will attempt to challenge you and that you are to avoid them.Keep in mind that you are at a Forum where most of the members are unimpressed with traditional teachings. They likely see it as comical that you, I, and ICANT often disagree--proving the vapidness of Christian doctrine. There is no "God Family." You are not a descendant of the tribes of Israel nor are you an Israelite. Keep on challenging anyone who bothers to listen, but you have discredited yourself through the associates you keep. You can teach other Christians little if anything, and you certainly are nothing more than comic relief at a secular science-based forum.That being said, I hope that you humble yourself as I have had to do and find the God of your understanding without the "help" of a cult.

Quit trying to lecture ICANT. Most Christians who read and follow the Bible largely agree on most of what is taught. You, in your arrogance, come at us from a cult and try and correct nearly everything we talk about. I have learned nothing from you and in fact, see where your cult has you by the brainstem. We need no more lectures from your arrogant yet false view of the scriptures.I realize that you are unimpressed with me and frankly do not care. If I need to learn anything from the Bible I have many people who know it from an orthodox Christian standpoint and can read it myself.You are teaching nobody ANYTHING here. What you ARE doing is making the rest of the believers not in a cult look stupid as you attempt to look like a "teacher".Do us all a favor and go away.

I CANT likely wont respond to you but I will.I have charged you with being in a cult. They have convinced you, a former orphen, that you are now a member of the "God family" and they are that family. So by telling you that you are a descendant of one of the ten tribes, you too will be called and enlightened and somehow you know a secret that a veteran Pastor such as I CANT has no clue about.Quit trying to show off and teach other Christians. We know as much as any leader in your church. What...you somehow think that your church has a higher truth than other churches? C'mon...get real.

The Universe has no gender. Just sayin

OK, I looked him up. Before we go any further, let's clarify which church that you claim to belong to.
Is it This One?
*Church of God (Holiness)*If so, I apologize for accusing you of associating with Herbert W. Armstrong.It appears that your church is quite conservative. I'm curious what Pastor ICANT says about them. Keep in mind that Pastor ICANT is an online friend much like many of the other members here at EvC. As you may have noted, they cannot stand him when he begins to talk about creationism vs evolution. I have no problem with him.I also have no problem with educated debate and discussion. One member in particular whom I respect is DWise1. He takes the time to explain himself rather than just shooing me off as some of the other members do. I won't take that as a personal attack but will use it as an opportunity for clarification. I have never made God out to be evil simply for giving humanity a clear choice. Some secular critics accuse Him (or me) of being evil simply for teaching that Hell is a possibility. I always defend myself by saying that I believe that God never directly created evil but only the possibility of evil. God never created an evil satan. He allowed an angelic Being to freely choose to rebel against His autonomy and become the decision that it chose.I can't back that up with scripture and would ask your opinion of it.People are free to accept that a supernatural God exists or reject (and even mock) such a concept.On a practical level, Christianity and Christian belief are judged by secularists not only as being unproven and fantasy-based but through the political association of conservative Christians. I myself am a political moderate, but I note that you don't discuss politics too often and would encourage you to stick to your teaching with scripture. They (the secularists or humanists) will likely ignore you, but at least Percy allows freedom of speech and encourages us to support our arguments in our own words. I am often guilty of posting a source of information yet never discussing it much in my own words. Thanks for clarifying. I would expect that you also believe that the word will not return void, which is why you like to quote scripture. I cant say that I disagree with such a concept, but I am no fan of raw data, evidence, and information. I believe that our characters count as much as anything else which is why I have stuck around EvC for twenty years. Tangle claims it is insulting for me to joke about "converting" him, but what he may not know is that through his character God may yet "convert" me!

In my view, God cant bring us back *if*we fall away. This brings up the question of what it means to fall away.I would think that we only need saving once since salvation is a gift from God and not derived through works.Repentance should happen at least daily. In my mind, as long as I realize that I am no longer my own and was bought with a price, I won't fall away, though I will and do sin.