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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
William Tell, Sun Tzu, Ned Ludd, Pythagoras, Homer, Siddhartha Gautama, Confucius, Laozi are people that either we know were not real or there is no actual evidence for their existence.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Seeing as how this thread has gone so completely off topic anyway I thought that I would post this. Certainly the best known Christian theologian and historian today in N T Wright.
For those of you who might be interested here is a video of Wright arguing for the resurrection. Having read most of Wright's work I have already defended this position myself on EvC. I know we are supposed to post bare links but this is simply a clearer explanation of a position I have already posted. It won't convince anyone here but hopefully it will help to at least give a clearer account of my position.
N T Wright on resurrectionHe has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Christians and non-christians think he is a hack.
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16858 THE PROBLEM OF N.T. WRIGHT | VirtueOnline – The Voice for Global Orthodox Anglicanism What’s Wrong with Wright: Examining the New Perspective on Paul by Phil Johnson Nearly Everything Wrong with N. T. Wright Summed Up in One Chapter Heading - Banner of Truth UK Why should we accept anything he writes when his own fellow christians question his views?What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
So?
Just because you cant establish evidence or distinguish a character from a myth doesn't change human behavior.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: Says who?
It's a US problem ONLY. ringo writes: Worry about your own nation. Over here, we are split roughly down the middle on these issues. You seem to think that one side writes the rules and the conclusions for everyone. They don't. (This applies to either side, by the way...depending on the specific issue.) It's about YOUR nation doing what's right. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Phat writes: Just because you cant establish evidence or distinguish a character from a myth doesn't change human behavior. Human behavior does include believing in things that are false.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
You like to pretend you know who was "meant" to be taken as historical.
You guys do like to bring up characters that were never meant to be taken as historical... GDR writes:
As I have said to you before, stories about miracles and resurrections were NOT "written to be taken" as historical. ... and compare that to writings that were written to be taken as historical.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It should be obvious to all but the dimmest wit. Only the US decides what the US does.
ringo writes:
Says who? It's a US problem ONLY. Phat writes:
I told you that MY nation is trying to solve OUR problem but you insist it can't be done.
Worry about your own nation. Phat writes:
That's EXACTLY how it works. Have you never HEARD of democracy? You seem to think that one side writes the rules and the conclusions for everyone.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
ringo writes:
I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. I agree that ev en though they were written to be read as historical is not make them historical. As I have said to you before, stories about miracles and resurrections were NOT "written to be taken" as historical.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
I don't see how you can conclude that "they were written to be read as historical". There are no resurrections in history. I agree that ev en though they were written to be read as historical is not make them historical.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Ya, just the one.
He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Cute. But reality says otherwise. Ringo is correct.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
So you can't say, "written to be read as historical", because there was nothing to compare it to. Ya, just the one.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
ringo writes:
Well, you can compare it to everyone else who has died never to be heard from again. So you can't say, "written to be read as historical", because there was nothing to compare it to.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Reality says nothing of the sort. Absence of evidence does not define the conclusion, especially if the story traveled worldwide and has so many adherents today. You may wish it were a myth, however.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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