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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Were the system (the two-party system) working as it should...as it used to work, the parties would have enough of a consensus to avoid spending 4 years trying to fully undo what the previous group did in their 4 years. (which was likely only a year or so's worth of work since *they* spent 3 years trying to undo the policies of the ones before them!
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Phat writes: Absence of evidence does not define the conclusion, especially if the story traveled worldwide and has so many adherents today. You may wish it were a myth, however. The Latter Day Saints have spread their beliefs world wide and they are one of the fastest growing religions. Does that mean the events in the Book of Mormon are no longer myths?
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
They have quite a ways to go to match Christianity or Islam.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Phat writes: They have quite a ways to go to match Christianity or Islam. Have they taught you about the Argument from Popularity fallacy in the class you are taking?
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
..., especially if the story traveled worldwide and has so many adherents today. The Mormon story has traveled worldwide, and has many adherents today. Why aren't you a Mormon?Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Mormons are christians
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Phat re: resurrection writes: Reality says nothing of the sort. Oh it most certainly does. The is no verified instance of anyone coming back from death. You have only the stories of your religion's fantasies from often badly re-copied scrolls of suspect origin and no independent corroborating sources. You have nothing. Resurrection is an evil myth meant to dazel and cower the minds of the sheep. It is fantasy written in other peoples' blood.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Phat writes:
If you are honest about your thinking skills course you'll take notice of what people say, not just automatically try to find a way of rebutting them, regardless of whether the rebuttal is relevant or not. Reality says nothing of the sort. In this case, reality (ie our observations of it) tell us that people do not recover from being properly dead, so yes reality says that people do not get resurrected. We call Christ's alleged resurrection a miracle because it is NOT part of our reality.
Absence of evidence does not define the conclusion, especially if the story traveled worldwide and has so many adherents today. Again, be honest. This is not a rational argument. Things can be true or false regardless of how many people believe or do not believe in them. I'll leave you to find your own examples. Are you prepared to think or not?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Maybe in your list of definitions.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
nwr writes: I was never impressed with the story. Why aren't you a Mormon?The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Taq writes: No, but I'm familiar with it. In fact, I'll reread it now, so as to support the point you are trying to make. Have they taught you about the Argument from Popularity fallacy in the class you are taking? The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Actually, by definition they are. Why would you say they are not?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
According to History.com they are, too...though many Christians disagree, citing several reasons.
In order to respect the Appeal to Popularity fallacy, this fact alone does not disqualify Mormonism from "being Christian" but some facts from this article might. To wit:quote:Pleeease! quote:So what good are the other two levels? Remind me of the RCC concept of Purgatory! quote:Sounds a bit like Tritheism. quote:This is one of their more rational teachings and beliefs. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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According to themselves and logic they are.
Everything else you post is a No True Scotsman fallacy. The same could be said about your beliefs by other christians. Again your hate, bigotry and disrespespect for the beliefs of others shines through. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theo writes: Nice guys always finish last. Again your hate, bigotry and disrespect for the beliefs of others shines through.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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