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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
ringo
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Message 2400 of 2932 (903210)
12-06-2022 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 2391 by Kleinman
12-05-2022 3:12 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
So post the links.
Why should I do your homework for you?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2401 of 2932 (903213)
12-06-2022 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 2394 by AZPaul3
12-05-2022 4:38 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
AZPaul3 writes:
Made of cast-offs like any sausage.
I call them "pork sweepings".
Disclaimer: Coming from a German background, I practically live on sausage... and I'm still alive.
My brother used to say we couldn't afford real Spam; we only got artificial Spam.
AZPaul3 writes:
And it's been on-and-off popular in world society since Hormel dropped its first can.
Apparently it's unusually popular in Hawaii: 9 Reasons Why Spam Became Hawaii’s Most Beloved Food
And now, back to Kishony, Lenski and Desai.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2422 of 2932 (903303)
12-08-2022 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 2408 by Kleinman
12-07-2022 3:23 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
It's not my homework, they are your imaginary links.
Now you're just being dishonest. You can't get along in today's world without using Google and now you expect us to believe that you think Google returns fake links?
Kleinman writes:
Oh boy, ringo is going to give the physical and mathematical explanations for the Kishony, Lenski, and Desai experiments!
Kleinman is going to explain to us why he thinks A → B and A → C are the same as B → C.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2423 of 2932 (903305)
12-08-2022 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 2412 by Kleinman
12-07-2022 3:30 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
We are waiting for you to explain to us how new alleles are created in sexual replicators.
And WE are waiting for YOU to explain how sexual replicators figure into asexual reproduction.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 2425 of 2932 (903307)
12-08-2022 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 2413 by Kleinman
12-07-2022 3:32 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
the physics, mathematics, and experimental and empirical evidence show that UCD is impossible,
The DNA evidence (both empirical AND experimental, at the same time, no less) shows that UCD not only IS possible but also IS.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2426 of 2932 (903308)
12-08-2022 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 2421 by Kleinman
12-08-2022 8:40 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
One of them (who I consider my friend) was a 13-year-old Panzerfaust operator in the German army at the end of WW2....
Ooh! Ooh! One of my cousins was married to a guy whose father was a General in the German army during WW2; he was a division commander, a recipient of the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross, who was fired for refusing to put the Hitler Youth in the front line.
Kishony, Lenski, Desai. Amen.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2462 of 2932 (903378)
12-09-2022 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 2430 by Kleinman
12-08-2022 1:44 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
They are your imaginary links and you won't post them because they don't exist.
They're very real and any fool can find them - except you. You're just flailing.
Kleinman writes:
Descent with modification works the same way for both replicators.
Clearly not.
Kleinman writes:
ringo writes:
The DNA evidence (both empirical AND experimental, at the same time, no less) shows that UCD not only IS possible but also IS.
ringo should know.
He does. And so does everybody else who has looked at it honestly.
Kleinman writes:
The lack of transitional fossils ...
There is no lack of transitional fossils.
Kleinman writes:
... and his failure to explain how drug resistance evolve and why cancer treatments fail...
That has nothing to do with transitional fossils. The plethora of transitional fossils is enough evidence in itself to demonstrate UCD. So is the DNA evidence. So is the nested hierarchy based on gross anatomy.
Kleinman writes:
Why don't you post one of your imaginary links?
Why don't you look them up yourself? Any schoolboy can.
Kleinman writes:
You obviously didn't learn anything from him.
A German General whom I never met? Maybe not. But to become a General, he must have been smart enough to accept evolution.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2483 of 2932 (903434)
12-10-2022 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 2465 by Kleinman
12-09-2022 2:00 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
Yeah, right, I'm flailing because you don't post any links that explain...
You're flailing because you refuse to look at those links.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2493 of 2932 (903480)
12-11-2022 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 2485 by Kleinman
12-10-2022 2:47 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
ingo thinks I'm flailing because I won't look at his imaginary links.
You're flailing because you refuse to look at links that clearly do exist - millions of them.
To stop flailing, you need to look at those links an d refute them.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2507 of 2932 (903512)
12-12-2022 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 2497 by Kleinman
12-12-2022 8:21 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
Give your imaginary links, millions of them, to AZPaul3 so he knows why cancer treatments fail.
He doesn't need them because he already knows why cancer treatments fail, as you admit. He may have learned why cancer treatments fail from some of the very links that you claim do not exist.
You're not only willfully ignorant; you're also willfully blind. I was going to say you're like an infant playing peekaboo - if he can't see it, it isn't there - but at least the infant grows out of it. You likely never will.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2537 of 2932 (903566)
12-13-2022 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 2513 by AZPaul3
12-12-2022 12:27 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
AZPaul3 writes:
You do realize you are going to receive a demanded math assignment for this observation, right?
That would confirm my point.
And I'll give him HIS assignment right back: A → B and so on.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 2538 of 2932 (903567)
12-13-2022 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 2519 by Kleinman
12-12-2022 3:41 PM


Kleinman writes:
Vimesey writes:
Are you capable of being wrong ?
Not reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals wrong.
But you ARE wrong about that. Nobody thinks that. That is NOT what evolution concludes.
Evolution concludes that reptiles and birds evolved from a common ancestor. They are cousins with the same grandparents. Fish and mammals evolved from a different common ancestor. They are also cousins with a different set of grandparents.
And the two sets of grandparents are also cousins with their own common grandparents.
Universal common descent is demonstrated by the nested hierarchy (derived from gross anatomy) and confirmed by DNA. That's the reality. There's no getting around it.
You can't trump reality with mathematics.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2546 of 2932 (903576)
12-13-2022 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 2542 by Kleinman
12-13-2022 12:00 PM


Kleinman writes:
Drug resistant infections and failed cancer treatments are the reality. And ringo doesn't have a single link which explains how this happens...
That's a lie.
There are plenty of links. Kleinman is afraid to look at them because he knows there is NOTHING on the Internet that supports his nonsense. He supports himself. Nobody else does.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2578 of 2932 (903687)
12-15-2022 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 2549 by Kleinman
12-13-2022 1:02 PM


Kleinman writes:
ringo writes:
There are plenty of links. Kleinman is afraid to look at them because he knows there is NOTHING on the Internet that supports his nonsense. He supports himself. Nobody else does.
This cowpoke smokes way too much locoweed. He's having hallucinations.
Yes, you may be having hallucinations. That would explain your blindness to reality.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2581 of 2932 (903694)
12-15-2022 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 2579 by dwise1
12-15-2022 10:57 AM


dwise1 writes:
I've recommended to him that he go see Psych, but he's too far gone to realize that he should.
That's the problem with mental illness. It often makes the "sufferer" feel better . If you have a sore foot, you go to the doctor to make it feel better - but if you're already euphoric, why would you?
Kleinman is already feeling pretty good about himself, at least on the surface. Deep down, there may be a lot of turmoil that will cause him to crash eventually.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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