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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Klein writes:
You're not ready for the mathematics until you understand the difference between asexual and sexual reproduction. (I presume you're not a gynecologist.) So, show us how you do the mathematics of recombination in a population.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Do you know that living things take in energy from their environment? Does he know that it takes energy to replicate?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
So you can't call me biased toward the links I post, I'm inviting you to pick your own. You certainly can't claim there are none, since Google finds so many. ringo writes:
That's why you post all zero of your links. I googled it. There doesn't seem to be any shortage of explanations. (I can give you a kindergarten-level lesson in using Google if you want.)
Kleinman writes:
So once more you stoop to insulting people you don't know. If I have to choose between a tenured professor's knowledge of thermodynamics and YOUR knowledge of thermodynamics, I'll choose the professor.
He should have read it himself, then he would know something about thermodynamics. You obviously didn't read it. Kleinman writes:
My question was not about thermodynamics. It's simple math: Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ? I'm going to keep asking until you answer.
ringo writes:
You have confused the thermodynamics of competition with the thermodynamics of descent with modification. Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ? Kleinman writes:
I think Tanypteryx knows more about it than I do - and even I know more than you do. I'm sure you can make the physics and mathematics clear enough so even Tany can understand it. And I think Tanypteryx understands that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C. Do you?
Kleinman writes:
The question is whether or not YOU understand the mathematics. Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ? What if your birds and reptiles don't use the English alphabet? Edited by ringo, : Spellig. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
Tell it to Google.
They are your imaginary links, you post them. qs=Kleinman writes:
You would have no way of knowing that.
Too bad the professor doesn't understand the subject he teaches. Kleinman writes:
You are the one who is confused. I haven't said anything about thermodynamics at all, except to answer your question about whether I have ever taken a thermodynamics class. You have confused the thermodynamics of competition with the thermodynamics of descent with modification. The topic is not about thermodynamics. The problem at hand is for you to demonstrate that you have even the most rudimentary understanding of evolution. So far, it seems pretty clear that you don't.
Kleinman writes:
It isn't, actually. ringo writes:
That's from Message 2170. It remains to be seen if anything is simple enough for you to understand. Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ? If you can't manage links in the forum, it's no wonder that you can't follow links in Google.
Kleinman writes:
It isn't about thermodynamics. It's simple math and biology.
ringo writes:
That's not saying much since Tany doesn't understand thermodynamics, and neither do you. And I think Tanypteryx understands that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C. Do you? Kleinman writes:
My silliness is entertaining. My redundancy is about the same as yours (Kishoni, Lenski, Desai, oh my!) ringo writes:
I don't know what is worse, your silliness or your redundancy. Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ? What's worse is your evasion. Do you understand yet that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C ? Unless you understand that, there's no point in you even mentioning anything about evolution.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
They're NOT going from B to C. That's the whole point. And if you don't understand that, you know nothing about evolution. How would they know to go B to C? You and your cousin have a common ancestor, your grandfather. You are NOT your cousin's father.
Kleinman writes:
Indeed they might. Mathematical symbols can represent whatever they are defined to represent. Or don't you understand that either?
They might be going β to γ or ב to ג. Kleinman writes:
There is no room for confusion because they have no idea where evolution is taking them (their descendants) or even that evolution is taking them anywhere. They might get all confused!Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
The lawS, plural. The increase in energy when an organism eats accounts for the increase in entropy. You can't have one law without the other. The laws of thermodynamics apply in open and closed systems.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
They don't apply the way you want them to because they work in combination. A process proceeds if the net free energy is positive. Tell us why the laws of thermodynamics don't apply in an open system.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Says the guy who doesn't understand that A → B and A → C are not the same as B → C I know this math is tough for you....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
I wonder how many times he mentions Kishony, Lenski and Desai. ... I would estimate that about twenty (20) of those message contained actual content...Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I'm not posting a link to Google, either. You should be able to find it yourself.
You're the one not posting your imaginary links. Kleinman writes:
Your redundant Kishony, Lenski, Desai, oh my! is about people who don't agree with you. Nobody but you has questioned my A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C
My redundancy is about real, measureable, and repeatable examples of biological evolution. Kleinman writes:
I know that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C
And you don't know anything about biological evolution. Kleinman writes:
As I have said, you're not ready for that yet. It's way over your head. Demonstrate that you understand that A → B and A → C are NOT the same as B → C and then we can go on to Page Two of the kindergarten evolution textbook.
Now that you are an expert in the thermodynamics of evolution, could you explain to us the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail. Kleinman writes:
You could start by googling "evolution for children". What should we Google?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I googled "how drug resistance evolves" (15,800,000 hits) and "why cancer treatments fail" (108,000,000 hits). How do you find a paper written by a biologist that explains how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
All YOU have to do is read one. Anybody who is interested in the truth will read one or more of them and know that you are wrong. All you have to do is post one....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
Have you ever thought about responding with the correct explanation of how A → B and A → C are different from B → C? Have you ever thought about responding with the correct explanation of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
We can have them contact you at "Department of Medicine, USA".
why don't you file a complaint with the medical or engineering board? Kleinman writes:
Do you really think a monkey was on trial? We can redo the Scopes monkey trial where you are the monkey.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Google thinks they exist
ringo reads papers that don't exist. Kleinman writes:
I don't need to post them any more than I need to post links to demonstrate that France exists. They're there for anybody to see.
That's why he won't post them. Kleinman writes:
Your "explanations" have been done to death in this topic. Nobody is impressed by your "explanations".
If ringo could read, he would post the following papers that explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Kleinman writes:
You don't know my horse. Aren't you embarassed blathering about things you know nothing about?
See how easy it is ringo and you are so wrongo. Ask your horse, he has more sense than you have. Kleinman writes:
Nobody needs to read your papers to understand the simple math: A → B and A → C are different from B → C.
ringo writes:
Sure have cowpoke, read the above papers and find out how it works. Have you ever thought about responding with the correct explanation of how A → B and A → C are different from B → C? Kleinman writes:
You still don't know my horse.
Of course, your horse knows more math than you do. Kleinman writes:
Read more carefully. My statement was not about where to file the complaint. It was about where they can find you.
ringo writes:
You can file the complaint where ever you want. We can have them contact you at "Department of Medicine, USA". Kleinman writes:
Even if I was wrong about that - and I have been trying to explain to you mathematically that your confusion about the math does not describe my belief - being wrong doesn't make me psychotic.
Tell them I think you are psychotic because you believe that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.... Kleinman writes:
Yes, we know. Nobody on earth understands but you.
... the only papers that explain this, I have written. Kleinman writes:
You didn't answer the question: Do you really think the Scopes Monkey Trial was about monkeys?
ringo writes:
Auditions for the monkey part are still open. Do you really think a monkey was on trial? Kleinman writes:
I don't need to tell anybody that because they already know it isn't true. They can understand the simple math: A → B and A → C are different from B → C. You seem to be the only one who doesn't. You can tell them how reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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