Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."

Kleinman:

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You are a liar. You never did the mathematics of any real experiment.

Taq:

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The mathematics are in the paper. Are you denying the results published in the paper?

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A dimwit like you thinks that a constant environment exists for 90 generations. And you have no idea what a virus does to a cell, but you think you would when you post a link about koalas that may go extinct from a single retroviral infection. It damages their immune system, you dummy. You suck as a virologist. All you do is hurt people.

According to you, NOBODY understands, so I'm in good company.

So why ask for real biological examples if all you are going to do is have a fit and throw toys from your pram?You talk up and down about the Lenski and Kishony experiment even though they had constant environments for way more than 90 generations. Suddenly, there's an experiment with results you don't like, and only then are constant environments a problem. Go figure.

Kleinman:

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Nothing that an amateur like you would understand.

ringo:

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According to you, NOBODY understands, so I'm in good company.

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To you, good company doesn't understand biological evolution. Kishony doesn't explain his own experiment, Lenski doesn't know why biological competition slows adaptation and doesn't explain his own experiment, and Desai is still trying to figure out how bacteria evolve drug resistance. What good is that company? They can't explain biological evolution and they can't explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail. You keep that company, it will make you feel so smart but they can't explain anything.

So Conman the Bullshitter still can't produce any evidence to refute the pattern of ERVs, only lunatic ravings. Next he will rave about how he cured every disease and saved us all.

Kleinman:

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A dimwit like you thinks that a constant environment exists for 90 generations.

Taq:

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So why ask for real biological examples if all you are going to do is have a fit and throw toys from your pram?
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You talk up and down about the Lenski and Kishony experiment even though they had constant environments for way more than 90 generations. Suddenly, there's an experiment with results you don't like, and only then are constant environments a problem. Go figure.

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The Kishony and Lenski experiments demonstrate exactly how descent with modification operates. The Desai experiment demonstrates how recombination works in a constant environment. Descent with modification depends on the number of replications a particular variant can do. Many factors can slow the accumulation of these replications. Desai created a special environment that increases the frequencies of adaptive alleles. You are so stupid that you think this contrived environment exists in real environments. That's why you don't and haven't done any mathematics of biological evolutionary processes. It doesn't fit your stupid narrative.

Tanypteryx:

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So Conman the Bullshitter still can't produce any evidence to refute the pattern of ERVs, only lunatic ravings. Next he will rave about how he cured every disease and saved us all.

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The bug chaser thinks that a germline infected with 200k retroviruses causes no harm. And the bug chaser hasn't cured any diseases, he only causes them. Thanks a lot, dummy. Your stupidity is dangerous.

The Lenski experiment had a constant environment for 10's of thousands of generations. Are you saying that a constant environment does not disqualify an experiment? How was the Desai experiment any different than the Kishony/Lenski experiment with regard to environments that increase the frequency of adaptive alleles?Also, the asexual and sexual populations in the Desai experiment were in the same environment. Clonal interference was only seen in the asexual population, not in the sexual population even though they were in the same environment. It wasn't the constant environment that caused the removal of clonal interference in the sexual population. It was recombination that alleviated clonal interference. It also depends on the existence of sexual recombination, as shown in the Desai experiment.

So still no evidence, just handwaving and blaming others for your own failures. Thanks a lot Bullshit Peddler.

Huh? I respect and admire biologists. You're the one who claims they don't know what they're doing. Do they agree with you? Consensus is good company. But they can and do. Thanks. I will. And you keep the company of Dredge, with his self-avowed IQ of 9. Having Dredge (IQ=9) agree with you must make you feel smart.

Kleinman:

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The Kishony and Lenski experiments demonstrate exactly how descent with modification operates.

Taq:

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The Lenski experiment had a constant environment for 10's of thousands of generations. Are you saying that a constant environment does not disqualify an experiment?

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You are so stupid. The Kishony experiment works quickly because his lineages can accumulate their 1/(mutation rate) replications without having to deal with biological competition. The Lenski populations accumulate their 1/(mutation rate) replications more slowly because they have to deal with biological competition.

Kleinman:

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Desai created a special environment that increases the frequencies of adaptive alleles.

Taq:

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How was the Desai experiment any different than the Kishony/Lenski experiment with regard to environments that increase the frequency of adaptive alleles?
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Also, the asexual and sexual populations in the Desai experiment were in the same environment. Clonal interference was only seen in the asexual population, not in the sexual population even though they were in the same environment. It wasn't the constant environment that caused the removal of clonal interference in the sexual population. It was recombination that alleviated clonal interference.

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We've discussed this many, many times and you still don't get it. The only reason that Desai's population doesn't see the effect of clonal interference is that he lets his population increase the frequencies of a few adaptive alleles and then induces sexual reproduction after 90 generations of constant selection. If Desai allowed his environment to change, who knows if any alleles would have increased in frequencies and who knows what kind of recombination events would have happened. You are such a slow learner.

Kleinman:

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Descent with modification depends on the number of replications a particular variant can do.

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It also depends on the existence of sexual recombination, as shown in the Desai experiment.

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Why don't you do the math with a varying environment and see how much recombination helps? It certainly doesn't help HIV, weeds, and insects. Your stupid speculations don't cut it.

Tanypteryx:

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So still no evidence, just handwaving and blaming others for your own failures. Thanks a lot Bullshit Peddler.

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Have you found any bugs that explain biological evolution? Tell us about them.

Kleinman:

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To you, good company doesn't understand biological evolution.

ringo:

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Huh? I respect and admire biologists. You're the one who claims they don't know what they're doing.

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Good for you, your friends can't explain biological evolution, the evolution of drug resistance, and why cancer treatments fail. Your friend are really smart.

They can explain it to everybody's satisfaction but yours. And you're not.

You didn't address what I said. Here it is again.The Lenski experiment had a constant environment for 10's of thousands of generations. Are you saying that a constant environment does not disqualify an experiment?As to the Kishony experiment, what would the dynamics of adaption to chloramphenicol look like if the E. coli in the experiment were undergoing sexual recombination? How would it compare to a population of asexual E. coli adapting to the same environment?Imagine if scientists published a paper on that very experiment? Well we don't have to imagine.

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From the evolution experiments in each fitness landscape, we find that increased mutation rate expedite adaptation in some environments tested, and that sexual recombination further speed up adaptive evolution in some environments. We also observe strong evidence of an in situ recombination event that help to alleviate clonal interference and generate a superior genotype in a sexual E. coli.

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Sexual recombination and increased mutation rate expedite evolution of Escherichia coli in varied fitness landscapes

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Look at the title of that paper. Wouldn't you know it, sexual recombination speeds up adaptation, and it does so by alleviating clonal inteference. More from the paper:

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The results suggest that sexual recombination facilitates a more swift increase in resistance, probably by combining compatible determinants of CM tolerance.

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CM tolerance is chloramphenicol resistance. Sexual recombination combines different beneficial mutations in different genes into the same genetic background, thereby speeding up adaptation to chloramphenicol. Yes, it is sexual recombination that alleviates clonal interference. Why wouldn't those same beneficial mutations increase in frequency if there was sexual recombination in every generation? The experiment was already run. It helps.