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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Kleinman
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Message 2056 of 2416 (902425)
11-23-2022 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 2050 by Theodoric
11-23-2022 11:03 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Theodoric:
Who did you submit this paper to for peer review?
Check it out for yourself dummy, it isn't a secret.

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Kleinman
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Message 2057 of 2416 (902426)
11-23-2022 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 2052 by AZPaul3
11-23-2022 11:07 AM


Re: Response from Dr. Lenski.
Kleinman:
But he does know that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals because a fossil told him.
Azpaul3:
Lie after lie. You are a fraud, Kleinman. And a damned dumb one at that.

What's the matter, your fossils stop talking to you?
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Taq in Message 2038

So says the person who got the math wrong. You falsely concluded that the fixation rate is the same as the rate of adaptive mutations. Let's not even get into your inane lies about the addition rule. You also can't get simple math right, such as your claim that it takes 1E9 replications to get an adaptive mutation but it only took 1E7 replications in the Lederberg experiment.
AZPaul3:
Taq took you to task. For a self-proclaimed math wiz, you suck at math.

You are a fraud, Kleinman.

Taq can't explain his own examples. He's so stupid, he thinks that koalas with a retroviral infection aren't harmed. Let him explain the Lederberg experiment, I'll do the math for repeatable experiments such as the Kishony and Lenski experiments, math that you can't do.

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Kleinman
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Message 2058 of 2416 (902427)
11-23-2022 11:29 AM
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11-23-2022 11:17 AM


Re: Response from Dr. Lenski.
APaul3:
You are a fraud, Kleinman.
You fail to do the math of the Kishony and Lenski experiments, you don't understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution, biological competition, descent with modification, and recombination, and you don't know why 3 drug combination therapy works for the treatment of HIV (which does recombination, has a very high mutation rate and large populations). I hope you like it dry, real dry.

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AZPaul3
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Message 2059 of 2416 (902428)
11-23-2022 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 2055 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 11:17 AM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Of course, he hasn't done any of this, he just makes long, long, long, long goodbyes. He's a dope.
No. You are a fraud. Nothing you say is real. You blatantly lie for the sake of the lie. You fake resources. You muddle the math and insist it is real. You misrepresent what others say and twist the facts in their posts (200,000 times). You have the extreme lack of ethics and morality we come to expect from a meat-cracker catholic.
You are a religious fraud, Kleinman.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 2060 of 2416 (902431)
11-23-2022 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2056 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 11:19 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
So no one. Because if you had you would tell us.
Fraud. Crank.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Kleinman
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Message 2061 of 2416 (902433)
11-23-2022 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2059 by AZPaul3
11-23-2022 11:30 AM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Kleinman:
Of course, he hasn't done any of this, he just makes long, long, long, long goodbyes. He's a dope.
AZPaul3:
No. You are a fraud. Nothing you say is real. You blatantly lie for the sake of the lie. You fake resources. You muddle the math and insist it is real. You misrepresent what others say and twist the facts in their posts (200,000 times). You have the extreme lack of ethics and morality we come to expect from a meat-cracker catholic.

You are a religious fraud, Kleinman.

So untwist them dumdum. You can't because you don't know how drug resistance occurs and why cancer treatments fail. All you know is that reptiles turn into birds and fish turn into mammals. What a dope.

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Message 2062 of 2416 (902434)
11-23-2022 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2061 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 12:12 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
So untwist them dumdum.
Taq and PaulK already did. Your muddled math is one of the major indictments to your fraud.
You are an intellectually and ethically stunted fraud, Kleinman.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Message 2063 of 2416 (902436)
11-23-2022 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 2060 by Theodoric
11-23-2022 12:07 PM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Theodoric:
So no one. Because if you had you would tell us.
Fraud. Crank.
This must be the long, long, long, long, long, long goodbye. You can't tell what is true or not unless someone agrees. That explains why biologists have failed to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. They all fail to understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. You can't even tell when that's the truth you are so mathematically incompetent. It appears we can expect many more goodbyes from the brilliant mind.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 2064 of 2416 (902437)
11-23-2022 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 2049 by Theodoric
11-23-2022 11:03 AM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
So now the good doctor who could not get into a US medical school is now spamming us with his own "research". Now if he could find a real scientist that supported his papers that would be something.
I wondered if his medical "education" was from a Caribbean diploma mill.
It's interesting that despite all his raving, he has not cited a single scientist supporting his bullshit. Instead of examining the validity of his ideas, like you would expect a scientist to do, he doubles down and then triples down and behaves like a 10 year old. His behavior is pretty bizarre, especially for an MD or a scientist.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Kleinman
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Message 2065 of 2416 (902438)
11-23-2022 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2062 by AZPaul3
11-23-2022 12:17 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Kleinman:
So untwist them dumdum.
AZPaul3:
Taq and PaulK already did. Your muddled math is one of the major indictments to your fraud.

You are an intellectually and ethically stunted fraud, Kleinman.

Right, like Taq knows how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. He's so brilliant, he knows that 200k retroviral infections do no harm but then posts an example of koalas with a retroviral infection that might drive them extinct.
And PaulK wouldn't be so confused if he read my papers. He would then see that I do the math correctly.
So, when are you going to post all those links that explain the evolution of drug resistance? Try finding one that shows how the Kishony experiment works. That is if you are not to busy thinking that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 2066 of 2416 (902440)
11-23-2022 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 2065 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 12:33 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Conman the Bullshitter writes:
That is if you are not to busy thinking that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.
You creationists are the only ones stupid enough to think that strawman represents evolution. Everyone knows you are just a bullshit peddler who can't even explain antibiotic resistance.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Kleinman
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Message 2067 of 2416 (902442)
11-23-2022 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 2066 by Tanypteryx
11-23-2022 12:52 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Kleinman:
That is if you are not to busy thinking that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.
Tanypteryx:
You creationists are the only ones stupid enough to think that strawman represents evolution. Everyone knows you are just a bullshit peddler who can't even explain antibiotic resistance.

Oh boy, Tany is going to explain the evolution of antibiotic resistance, right after he explains how a germ cell line can get 200k retroviral infections that do no harm. Of course, we have to wait for him to finish chasing bugs. He's a world class bug chaser.

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Message 2068 of 2416 (902443)
11-23-2022 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 2064 by Tanypteryx
11-23-2022 12:27 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
His behavior is pretty bizarre, especially for an MD or a scientist.
Engineer, not scientist. Or at least that's what he claimed.
As we've already noted, engineers tend to have much disdain for science and scientists, especially the engineers who are creationists.
A scientist wants to figure out how things work. An engineer just wants results. Present a scientist with a problem and he'll solve it by analyzing the problem and constructing a model of it (ie, figure out how the system works and why that would lead to the problem. An engineer doesn't want to understand why the problem exists but instead only wants a solution or a workaround.
One of the worst insults an engineer can hurl at another engineer is by accusing them of him of turning a problem into a "science project". I have personally heard that having worked on engineering teams my entire career.
Earning a PhD in the sciences, including the biological sciences, involves a lot of lab work supporting the professor's own research -- in his lectures on genetics, Dr. Eric Lander's coverage of the development of gene analysis techniques included how graduate students had to at first spend months of long hours sorting out the raw data in order to construct even a small portion of a genome (which with modern technology can now be done within a day) which led to his observation that all that a PhD proves is that you can survive doing an enormous amount of work. But in that process, they learned how to conduct research.
In contrast, for a medical student or an engineer to get his doctorate, about all he needs to prove is that he can do a lot of memorization work. Very little opportunity for learning research is offered him.
Normally, preparation for qualifying for medical school involves a lot of classes in biology, biochemistry, etc (which are called "pre-med"). One would assume that an MD would have taken biology and hence would have learned something about evolution (though Dr. Eugenie Scott did observe that many undergrad biology programs in the US leave that out). I guess that med schools in the Caribbean don't require pre-med.

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Kleinman
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Message 2069 of 2416 (902444)
11-23-2022 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 2068 by dwise1
11-23-2022 1:58 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Tantpteryx:
His behavior is pretty bizarre, especially for an MD or a scientist.
dwise:
Engineer, not scientist. Or at least that's what he claimed.

Yep, and licensed in both fields. Right, and biologists are scientists that can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Even when Edward Tatum gave the correct description of how to stop these processes in his 1958 Nobel Laureate Lecture. Perhaps in another 100 years, they can get it right, you know, hope springs eternal. It's not likely though when people like Tany and Taq claim that a germ line cell can have 200k retroviral infections that don't do harm to a germ cell. That's pretty stupid. And I only did about 150,000 patient visits (many had drug-resistant infections, no thanks to biologists like Tany or Taq), and no malpractice cases, two cases dropped before discovery, and one case I won on summary judgment, actually making the correct diagnosis during the case. Stupid biologists never explained how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. They can't explain the physics and mathematics of evolution.
You obviously can't explain how drug resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail, you must be a biologist.

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Message 2070 of 2416 (902445)
11-23-2022 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2069 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 2:22 PM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Yep, and licensed in both fields.
The way you have acted in this thread I doubt you are licensed for anything including the DMV.
Can't trust anything you say. That's what happens when you prove yourself to be a liar and a fraud.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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