Biblical Tall Tales

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Biblical accounts of Goliath puts him at over 9 ft. all - clearly gigantic

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There was an accident on the corner of Main and Walnut. Twenty people witnessed the mess. Twenty people gave their account of what they saw. Twenty different stories, about the same accident. Twenty descriptions of the people involved in the accident, all different.Tell me, does it negate the event?Giants or no giants, the plan of salvation is straight from Adam to Christ.
Most Christians build their life on it.
Some Christians are drawn into and quibble over incidentals.

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Its even more strained for those who believe the bible is the innerrant word of God because (as demonstrated by the number of threads about it on this particular forum) which bible is to be believed?

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Which word of God is errant? It is the word of God allowed for contention. Not the book(s)holding it. He promised a saviour, the saviour came. Other promises are still outstanding. So?A Christian is not threatened by counter theories, provided he accepts his plan is one as well. There are many denomination which operate through instilling fear in the believer. It is to their advantage to do so. Financial, mostly. The dumb ox behavior is for convenience and too lazy to look at the myriad gifts through science, the beauty, etal. Science cannot and will not delete God, it needs him.

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Some Christians are drawn into and quibble over incidentals.

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Some Christians insist that every incidental is crucial to their faith. That if the Bible is not "literally" and "completely" true then their faith is somehow damaged. That is part of the point of this thread.

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You are, then, one who agrees that the Bible does not have to be and is not literally true and not 100 % accurate.

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I am one who agrees that the Bible adequately spells out the ways and means toward salvation. The bosom of Abraham is not the home of the saved. Illustration for something else. The story of Noah, so often discussed here and everywhere, may readily be an illustration toward the saving power of God, and also the fact that he is judge and executioner. One goes with the other. Parables, illustrations, allegories, etal, serve their purpose, one would hope, so does the recounting of the life (good and bad) of those within its pages.Toward that end, teaching and warning and telling of God's qualities, I believe the Bible to be 100% accurate and true.

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Twenty descriptions of the people involved in the accident, all different.

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Tell me, does it negate the event?

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Let me ask you this. If 20 different people swear that their account of the accident is the Word of God and therefore infalible, how do you figure out who is right?

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You did not answer my question.Please explain what you mean here.

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In fact, there is a clear pattern in tales about Giants that they grow in height.

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There are giants still on the earth today. Not the lone one here and there, but whole tribes of them. It's a good thing.

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When twenty people witness an accident, each is saying, "This is what I saw."

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But if you asked each of them point blank - "Do X happen?" The most common response will be "I only know what I saw."

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If you tell them, your account of the accident is different from this other witnesses account - "I only know what I saw."

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They don't say, "He is wrong, I am right. I know that I am right because I am infallible."

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If you take that witness into a room and show them a video tape of the accident that differs from their account - "Well, that's not how it looked to me."

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They don't say, "The videotape is wrong, I am right. I know that I am right because I am infallible."

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What the YECs are asking is that we teach their "infallible" account of (the accident) in public schools and/or that we don't show the videotape.

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Does that clear it up?

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You're all over the place with something. I hope you find the map and get there, eventually.

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And finally to bring this back to the topic at hand: you'd agree that the most likely conclusion is that Goliath was somewhere in the high 6 foot range and not at a height that is outside the most extreme range that humans are naturally capable of reaching.

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The story of Goliath makes him unusual for his setting. He was a lone tall man chosen to put holy fear into some people. It worked. I know that I don't have to tell you that nature makes great wonders, some of them tall and even very tall.

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Average height 9ft tall? I don't think so.

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Nature is a remarkable event and limitless in my opinion. I'll accept your need to place stops on what you find acceptable.

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and if you have some of the witnesses describing the car that caused the accident as a 2004 Nash Rambler what would you conclude about those witnesses?

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ahahahahahahaaaaaaaa good and funny!

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The story of Goliath makes him unusual for his setting. He was a lone tall man chosen to put holy fear into some people.

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Actually, 1 Chronicles 20 mentions 3 giants - all of them decendents of a race of giants, the Gath.

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So, there was a whole tribe of 9'9" guys roaming around.

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And those aren't even the BIG giants of the Bible. In Numbers 13:33 witnesses talk about a race of giants which make normal men seem like grasshoppers in comparison.

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Thank you. I am aware.

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I agree that there are groups of people 7ft tall. I disagree that there are groups of people 9ft tall.

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I don't believe I said there are groups of people nine feet tall - somewhere. Unlimited nature is simply the possibility that nine foot tall and taller people could most certainly have walked this planet.I reiterate my statement

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Nature is a remarkable event and limitless in my opinion. I'll accept your need to place stops on what you find acceptable.

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which you may certainly take as you like.Agree or disagree - one is as fine as the other.

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There are many denomination which operate through instilling fear in the believer. It is to their advantage to do so. Financial, mostly.

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I see the same thing with evos. There is great fear of evolution being overturned, imo, and there is a strong financial interest in evos maintaining and defending their belief system.

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Of course, financials are important.
I see no threat to evolution being overturned. The argument is more about origin than evolution.
There are many Christians who understand evolution and have no beef with it. I call them blessed.

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Dorf
There are many denomination which operate through instilling fear in the believer.

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RAndman
There is great fear of evolution being overturned

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Wow did you miss the point there.

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He's not talking about religions which fear that their beliefs are going to be overturned. He's talking about religions which control their members through fear. If their beliefs were overturned, they would be free from fear.

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Here's an example: "If you aren't born again, when the rapture comes the world is going to be a giant torture chamber and you'll suffer along with all the other unbelievers."

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That's preaching fear.

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Nug
More horrid things than that are preached.
Your statement about free from fear if beliefs were overturned - is naive at best. The resulting chaos would be devastating on a personal and collective level. One would hope for a gentler method, such as replacing error with truth, such as - there'll be no rapture.

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I'll accept your need to place stops on what you find acceptable.

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And I'll accept your need to believe in magic as a source of scientific revelation.

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Pardon me?Or - Huh?

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.. So how do you go about proving inerrancy?

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Has the plan of salvation remained the same?