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John Williams
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Message 286 of 302 (316902)
06-01-2006 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Jesus Addict
05-09-2006 10:09 PM


Re: Of course the Bible is true
Giant sized footprints? lol, you must be refering to the Paluxy prints.
those were clearly misidentified Dino tracks.

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John Williams
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Message 296 of 302 (318598)
06-07-2006 4:36 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by Crue Knight
06-07-2006 12:55 AM


Re: Giants?
Well, I don't know of any archaeological evidence that people even in 'pre-flood' Mesopotamia (5000 years ago?) would have averaged only 3 feet tall. People even back then were actually averaging around 5'3 or 5'5 for men, but certainly I could see how a solidly built 7' man could very well seem twice as tall as an average guy at first glance.
When the bible mentions king Og or Goliath, it does seem there are true historical kernels, but extraoplated and condensed into the Hebrew chronicles. The giants are always the bad guys as it were.
Based on the earliest readings of Samuel, Goliath was infact around 6'7 and wore 100 lbs of Mycenaean style armor. The Philistines seem to have been of a taller Anatolian or Aagean stalk, perhaps averaging 5'10 or 6 feet in stature. The king Og described in Deutoronomy and Numbers, seems to represent a conglomerant of Aramean and Ammonite traditions concerning an ancient Bashanite ruler of great stature whome the Israelites later added locale lore to. The "Iron Bedstead" may have referred to his ancient Tomb or Sarcophagus (13ft long) was known during the time Deutoronomy was compiled c.700 bc.
Whatever the case, these giants seem to have grown throughout the centuries, capturing the imagination of biblical readers by their brute strength and unimaginable wickedness. But in modern terms, I'd just say that the ancient Jews were simply prejudice against their taller neighbors who may have been of caucasoid or Dinaric bodybuild which could account for a 5-6 inch height advantage above the shorter Semites. Whatever the case, height was a respected quality in ancient times. King Saul was "head and shoulders" above average people (Sam. chpt.9) and this was evidently a noble and distinguishing quality.
The names, Anak, Rephaim, and Nephilim, do seem to echo ancient Canaanite traditions of a tall and strong warrior class in the ancient past who were later immortalized and re-introduced into ancient Hebrew history. All of this is very intriguing to hypothesis though.

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John Williams
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Message 298 of 302 (318796)
06-07-2006 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by ramoss
06-07-2006 8:41 AM


Re: Giants?
I agree there ramoss, a 6'4 guy would seem pretty huge back in the day.
Scholars believe that the DSS Samuel texts are from about 200 bc and agree very well with the earliest Greek Septuagint which was translated in 200 bc aswell. Both texts state that Goliath was "four cubits and a span" tall, and this seems to retain the most ancient of the traditions.
4 cubits roughly equaled 5'10-6ft.
1 span = 8-9 in.
This makes Goliath roughly 2 meters, and if you add his hundred lb armor and fancy bronze helmet, he'd probably seem 8 ft tall to the Hebrews.

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John Williams
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Message 300 of 302 (319211)
06-08-2006 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by Tryannasapien Rex
06-08-2006 3:07 PM


Re: imperfect word of god
Homo rex, "thou shalt not kill" is one of the cammandments given to Moses in the stone tablets at Mt Horeb. Abram was centuries earlier than the Moses story.
Killing first born was an ancient tradition the Canaanites and neighboring peoples used as a sacred right to appease the gods so that famine wouldn't strike the land. Abram would't have been too out of place in ancient times, sacrificing his firstborn to El.
Sacrifice and murder, unlike in modern America, were not seen as the same in many ancient civilizations. Indeed, some sacrifice victims considered it a privalge that they were chosen.

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