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ReverendDG
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Message 91 of 302 (274788)
01-01-2006 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by randman
01-01-2006 7:08 PM


Re: minor differences
strange that your so-called modern science doesn't provide where things come from when they claim they found something, will not let others study them
everything i've read about supposed giants is at least 80 years old and unverifiable

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ReverendDG
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Message 136 of 302 (274891)
01-02-2006 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by idontlikeforms
01-02-2006 12:53 AM


Re: Giants?
They are outside mainstream Christianity. The idea that they were not, is a recent liberal argument, likely aimed at attacking Christianity's crediblity. People in Antiquity would no doubt not agree.
nice consepericy theory,, do you have anything to back this up? I doubt you have the authority to make that claim
It's an objective statement actually. Read the Biblical narratives then read other historical narratives. They are written in the same style. A better way to say it would be to say the narrative parts of the Bible were written as history with religious overtones. True or false, they are historical narrative. You can question the veracity of various parts of it, but that does not change its genre of literature. And yes the narratives are the largest component of the Bible.
how it the world is it objective?, theres not one shred of evidence for the "history" as it was written in any part of the bible, places, even people may have existed, but can you claim with evidence that they did what was written in the text?
I'm sorry but I think you just believe that, because other texts show the same regard for the begining of thier writings doesn't mean they are anymore history than the bible - they could be I don't know, a story?
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ReverendDG
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Message 142 of 302 (274898)
01-02-2006 1:36 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by idontlikeforms
01-02-2006 1:25 AM


Re: Giants?
The Liberal Biblical scholarship that exists today in Western Civ, simply hasn't existed long enough for my claim here to be false.
thats a meaningless statement, you have to give evidence for this nonsense, other wise its paranoid ramblings, this is more of the case of you can't prove i'm wrong, therefor i am right, isn't this a bit silly
You misunderstand what I meant. It was written deliberately as history. That is its genre. It could be 90% baloney and it would still, technically, be categorized as historical narrative.
no its not history you can't verify it in anyway, it was written as a story to explain parts of the relationship between god and humans, i wouldn't even classify it as history
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ReverendDG
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Message 157 of 302 (274923)
01-02-2006 3:24 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by idontlikeforms
01-02-2006 2:04 AM


Re:
Sigh. Well man, it is a view of recent Christian histiography that the early church was simply the victor in a struggle between competing factions. The orthodox view of the first few centuries of Christianity, is that the Christianity of the mediterrenean world was orthodox. If that's paranoid ramblings to you, so what. I could say the same thing about what you are saying. It's pointless. So, if it's OK with you. let's just drop this point.
Am I the one claiming something? I asked you for evidence is there none?, i guess asking people to back up claims is pointless?
You only need internal evidence to prove the genre of a given document. That internal evidence is present in Genesis to Nehemiah, and even Matthew to Acts. They define their own genre, not us. Your opinion on their genre is as worthless as mine is. They are historical narratives, that is their self-defined genre, irregardless of whether their contents are primarily true history or not. Go take an Exegesis class at a Bible college. They will teach you this. Each book itself defines its own genre.
you know nothing about verifying history then, you use other texts to verify texts, you don't use whats in them as verification, you use whats in the text to define what the text might be dated to and thats not always useful even, as i said it is not history it is a story about god creating man and stories to explain things within this world, you think they are history but its all belief
Its not like conceding that their genre is historical, somehow makes them true or that you have to believe they are true. Have you ever actually read the Bible? I don't get the controversy on this one
I've read the kjv, the niv, and some others but whether you think it is in the genre of history, the point is how do you know its historical? i have a guess.. people told you it, just like everyone else, thats the only way you could believe this
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ReverendDG
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Message 269 of 302 (279604)
01-17-2006 4:38 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by DorfMan
01-04-2006 9:32 AM


Re: Now where did I leave that Holy Book?
You don't need me to be, you have your own ideas and mine won't matter a farthing.
I avoid the horror I call quibbling. From observation I note that it is often misstated as debate. Nor am I interested in making converts or indulging in the possibility of obtaining agreement. It is for that reason my posts are always short, and my preference is an occasional comment. Lurking becomes the DorfMan.
yes because somehow anything people want to debate you on is quibbling, why come to a debate site like this if all you want to do is state things without question? if you would like to do that get a blog then you can say what you want, I mean we could perchance agree with you on something
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ReverendDG
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Message 283 of 302 (299520)
03-30-2006 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 279 by Jesus saves -Ben
03-29-2006 8:45 PM


Re: Of course the Bible is true
That is one big tall tale alright!
now if you can back any of this up i'd be surprised
as for humans being larger, that is purely a misreading of the text in question
and what people call "giants" in genesis is reading the text wrong
and no they never found 12 food skeletons its the same recyled nonsense they've been saying for the last 20 years
i think you are off the wall, and need to read your bible again, and read about evolution, not read pamplets from fundi churchs

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