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AZPaul3
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Message 541 of 2932 (899775)
10-19-2022 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 540 by Kleinman
10-19-2022 10:00 AM


Re: Not Just Math, Kleinman Doesn't Know Anything
Chirality. Yep, that's what it is. Just what I said. Did you read and understand the words or were you looking at the pretty pictures?
You just posted the wiki to show how right I was.
Thanx.
BTW, you have a religion addiction.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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ringo
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Message 542 of 2932 (899776)
10-19-2022 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 522 by Kleinman
10-18-2022 10:33 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Kleinman writes:
Jame Tour does a much better job describing why abiogenesis is not possible.
What I said was: "While you're waiting, you could answer some of your unanswered posts. I count about ten different topics that you've missed answering."
This topic is not about abiogenesis. Start an appropriate topic.
Kleinman writes:
Jame Tour does a much better job describing why abiogenesis is not possible.
If you're even worse than some goober who thinks abiogenesis is "impossible". I can see why you're avoiding the subject.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 543 of 2932 (899777)
10-19-2022 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 524 by Dredge
10-18-2022 11:46 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Dredge writes:
When confronted by the scientific impossibility of abiogenesis....
You know nothing about chemistry. Abiogenesis is practically inevitable.
Dredge writes:
... atheists panick...
It has nothing to do with atheism. It's about chemistry.
And there's no "panic" about it. I will gladly give you a kindergarten-level lesson in chemistry - in an appropriate topic. Try to be wrong (and stupid) about one thing at a time.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 544 of 2932 (899778)
10-19-2022 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 526 by Dredge
10-19-2022 12:16 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Dredge writes:
Others are fools by choice ... which are the most pitiable kind.
Like creationists, who choose to believe a pack of lies.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 545 of 2932 (899779)
10-19-2022 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 527 by Dredge
10-19-2022 12:31 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Dredge writes:
Now all Arvin Ash needs to do is produce a viable organism from inanimate matter ...
I think I have said before, I will bet you that we do exactly that before your "savior" comes back. How much do you want to bet?
Dredge writes:
... lest he be dismissed as just another delusional atheist bs-artist ...
Nobody cares what you dismiss.
Dredge writes:
... all talk and no action.
If you want to learn about all the action that IS going on in the field of abiogenesis, google it.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 546 of 2932 (899780)
10-19-2022 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 534 by Kleinman
10-19-2022 6:50 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Kleinman writes:
ringo is not a biologist and so far, he hasn't demonstrated he has had any training in chemistry let alone organic chemistry.
I'll be glad to discuss chemistry with you, ESPECIALLY organic chemistry. But that's a different topic. Start one. I dare ya.
Kleinman writes:
If he had, he would know how difficult it is to synthesize even simple organic molecules, and that's under laboratory conditions.
Some compounds are more difficult to synthesize than others but in fact, organic synthesis is difficult to prevent. The problem is with side-products that need to be selected out.
Kleinman writes:
These zealots won't discuss experiments that demonstrate how descent with modification works...
Been there, done that. YOU are the one who is trying to divert the topic to abiogenesis. Start a new topic for that and we can run both at once.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 547 of 2932 (899781)
10-19-2022 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 536 by Dredge
10-19-2022 9:07 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Dredge writes:
I'm willing to bet you $1.55 that humans will never ever produce life from inanimate matter.
I have offered to bet you that we will produce life in the lab before your "savior" returns.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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Kleinman
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Message 548 of 2932 (899782)
10-19-2022 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 541 by AZPaul3
10-19-2022 10:15 AM


Re: Not Just Math, Kleinman Doesn't Know Anything
AZPaul3:
Chirality. Yep, that's what it is. Just what I said. Did you read and understand the words or were you looking at the pretty pictures?

You just posted the wiki to show how right I was.

Thanx.
Does AZPaul3 need a quote?
Chirality - Wikipedia
quote:
All of the known life-forms show specific chiral properties in chemical structures as well as macroscopic anatomy, development and behavior.[26] In any specific organism or evolutionarily related set thereof, individual compounds, organs, or behavior are found in the same single enantiomorphic form. Deviation (having the opposite form) could be found in a small number of chemical compounds, or certain organ or behavior but that variation strictly depends upon the genetic make up of the organism. From chemical level (molecular scale), biological systems show extreme stereospecificity in synthesis, uptake, sensing, metabolic processing. A living system usually deals with two enantiomers of the same compound in drastically different ways.
AZPaul3:
BTW, you have a religion addiction.
So, how much time do biologists need in the lab in order for you to win your bet with Dredge?

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Kleinman
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Message 549 of 2932 (899783)
10-19-2022 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 542 by ringo
10-19-2022 11:39 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Kleinman:
Jame Tour does a much better job describing why abiogenesis is not possible.
ringo:
What I said was: "While you're waiting, you could answer some of your unanswered posts. I count about ten different topics that you've missed answering."

This topic is not about abiogenesis. Start an appropriate topic.

What have you said that was interesting in any of your previous posts? And why should I start a topic on abiogenesis where you don't have any experiments that demonstrate this? You won't discuss descent with modification when we do have experiments that demonstrate that phenomenon.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 550 of 2932 (899787)
10-19-2022 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by Kleinman
10-19-2022 12:14 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Kleinman writes:
What have you said that was interesting in any of your previous posts?
You've said twice that you were impressed by my attention to detail - so it's a little late now to start pretending that you're not interested in what I say.
Kleinman writes:
And why should I start a topic on abiogenesis where you don't have any experiments that demonstrate this?
How would you know what I have in support of abiogenesis? If you're not afraid to find out, start a topic.
Kleinman writes:
You won't discuss descent with modification when we do have experiments that demonstrate that phenomenon.
But I HAVE been discussing that. Sixty-four posts in this very thread, and counting. And you've QUOTED some of them. Try to maintain at least a thin fiber of connection to reality.
And YOU are the one who is trying to divert the discussion to off-topic abiogenesis.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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Kleinman
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Message 551 of 2932 (899790)
10-19-2022 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 550 by ringo
10-19-2022 12:48 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Kleinman:
What have you said that was interesting in any of your previous posts?
ringo:
You've said twice that you were impressed by my attention to detail - so it's a little late now to start pretending that you're not interested in what I say.

Just because you are a nitpicker doesn't make you interesting. That's not the kind of thing that makes me a fan of yours. Try posting something interesting.
Kleinman:
And why should I start a topic on abiogenesis where you don't have any experiments that demonstrate this?
ringo:
How would you know what I have in support of abiogenesis? If you're not afraid to find out, start a topic.

Tell it to the biologists so that AZPaul3 can have a chance to win his bet with Dredge. I wouldn't count on this AZPaul3. And AZPaul3, I suggest you lay off the vino. It's affecting your ability to perceive reality.
Kleinman:
You won't discuss descent with modification when we do have experiments that demonstrate that phenomenon.
ringo:
But I HAVE been discussing that. Sixty-four posts in this very thread, and counting. And you've QUOTED some of them. Try to maintain at least a thin fiber of connection to reality.

And YOU are the one who is trying to divert the discussion to off-topic abiogenesis.

Sixty-four posts filling space, are you trying to set a record? And have you noticed that Tany doesn't explain his claim about endogenous retroviruses? Why don't you start a topic on abiogenesis? If you can come up with something interesting, perhaps I'll comment. I like surprises.

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Dredge
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Message 552 of 2932 (899791)
10-19-2022 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 547 by ringo
10-19-2022 12:10 PM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
ringo writes:
I have offered to bet you that we will produce life in the lab before your "savior" returns.
Oh boy, this is my lucky day! ... like stealing candy from a baby. The former is impossible and the latter is a certainty.

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Dredge
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Message 553 of 2932 (899792)
10-19-2022 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 545 by ringo
10-19-2022 11:53 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
ringo writes:
If you want to learn about all the action that IS going on in the field of abiogenesis, google it.
Action? What action? A bunch of idiotic dreamers concocting worthless hypotheses about how God performed the miracle of life isn't my idea of "action".
Wake me up when someone actually performs said miracle.

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Dredge
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Message 554 of 2932 (899793)
10-19-2022 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 543 by ringo
10-19-2022 11:45 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
ringo writes:
And there's no "panic" about it. I will gladly give you a kindergarten-level lesson in chemistry - in an appropriate topic. Try to be wrong (and stupid) about one thing at a time.
While you're at it, give me a kindergarten-level in spelling. "panick"?

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Dredge
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Message 555 of 2932 (899794)
10-19-2022 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 538 by AZPaul3
10-19-2022 9:15 AM


Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
AZPaul3 writes:
If you're going to do this then stop with the half measures.
A dinner, at an upscale restaurant, like Morton's Steakhouse, with wine and dessert for you, me and 2 guests. We'll put a $$ limit on the wine. Nothing over $100 a bottle. Your catholic, and a dumb catholic so I assume you have limited resouces.
Start saving those pennies.
Wow, you're a glutton for punishment, I must say. Not only are you inviting me to make a fool of you again, this time I'm going to empty your wallet as well!
By the way, since you don't have any friends, I will supply the "two guests". No worries, mate.
And I hope you like red wine coz you won't be buying us any of that sissy white stuff.

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