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Topic: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
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vimesey
Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: 09-21-2011
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Message 2506 of 2932 (903509)
12-12-2022 10:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 2505 by Kleinman
12-12-2022 10:21 AM
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Once again, the re-engineered T-cells hunted down and destroyed the cancerous T-cells. This is a revolutionary, brand new treatment based on base editing. It is not based on traditional drug therapy. Answer my question: is it more important to you that you are right, or more important that all of the scientists are right and save the lives of many more cancer sufferers ?
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 2507 of 2932 (903512)
12-12-2022 10:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 2497 by Kleinman
12-12-2022 8:21 AM
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Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes: Give your imaginary links, millions of them, to AZPaul3 so he knows why cancer treatments fail.
He doesn't need them because he already knows why cancer treatments fail, as you admit. He may have learned why cancer treatments fail from some of the very links that you claim do not exist. You're not only willfully ignorant; you're also willfully blind. I was going to say you're like an infant playing peekaboo - if he can't see it, it isn't there - but at least the infant grows out of it. You likely never will.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2508 of 2932 (903515)
12-12-2022 11:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 2506 by vimesey
12-12-2022 10:27 AM
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vimesey:
Once again, the re-engineered T-cells hunted down and destroyed the cancerous T-cells. This is a revolutionary, brand new treatment based on base editing. It is not based on traditional drug therapy.
Answer my question: is it more important to you that you are right, or more important that all of the scientists are right and save the lives of many more cancer sufferers ?
It doesn't matter what the therapy is. The re-engineered T-cells must attack cancerous T-cells based on an antigen the cancerous cells have. If the cancerous T-cells mutated that antigen so that the re-engineered T-cell no longer recognizes that mutated antigen, the re-engineered T-cells will not attack that cell. But if you think Alyssa is cured, contact her doctors and tell them they don't have to monitor her condition. These doctors may have a good treatment, but cancer cells are not exact clones and it may not target all cancer cells. That's why it is very likely that 2 or 3 drugs (selection pressures) targeted therapy will be necessary to give a durable treatment for cancers. Edward Tatum recognized this in his 1958 Nobel Laureate Lecture. I will never give false hope to a patient based on confusion and misunderstanding of how a cancer treatment fails, even yours.
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 2509 by vimesey, posted 12-12-2022 11:15 AM | | Kleinman has replied |
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vimesey
Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: 09-21-2011
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Message 2509 of 2932 (903517)
12-12-2022 11:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 2508 by Kleinman
12-12-2022 11:10 AM
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Answer my question: is it more important to you that you are right, or more important that all of the scientists are right and save the lives of many more cancer sufferers ?
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 2508 by Kleinman, posted 12-12-2022 11:10 AM | | Kleinman has replied |
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2510 of 2932 (903520)
12-12-2022 11:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 2509 by vimesey
12-12-2022 11:15 AM
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vimesey:
Answer my question: is it more important to you that you are right, or more important that all of the scientists are right and save the lives of many more cancer sufferers ?
Are you stupid or inattentive or both?
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 2509 by vimesey, posted 12-12-2022 11:15 AM | | vimesey has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 2511 by vimesey, posted 12-12-2022 11:42 AM | | Kleinman has replied |
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vimesey
Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: 09-21-2011
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Message 2511 of 2932 (903521)
12-12-2022 11:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 2510 by Kleinman
12-12-2022 11:33 AM
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You are evading and not answering. Answer my question: is it more important to you that you are right, or more important that all of the scientists are right and save the lives of many more cancer sufferers ?
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2512 of 2932 (903524)
12-12-2022 12:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 2511 by vimesey
12-12-2022 11:42 AM
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vimesey:
You are evading and not answering. Answer my question: is it more important to you that you are right, or more important that all of the scientists are right and save the lives of many more cancer sufferers ?
So, you are both.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 2511 by vimesey, posted 12-12-2022 11:42 AM | | vimesey has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 2514 by vimesey, posted 12-12-2022 12:38 PM | | Kleinman has replied |
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 2513 of 2932 (903525)
12-12-2022 12:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 2507 by ringo
12-12-2022 10:54 AM
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Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
You likely never will. You do realize you are going to receive a demanded math assignment for this observation, right?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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vimesey
Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: 09-21-2011
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Message 2514 of 2932 (903526)
12-12-2022 12:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 2512 by Kleinman
12-12-2022 12:11 PM
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I am human - I can be both right and wrong about various things, because humans are capable of error. Do you accept that you are human, and can be both right and wrong about various things, because you are capable of error ?
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 2512 by Kleinman, posted 12-12-2022 12:11 PM | | Kleinman has replied |
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2515 of 2932 (903528)
12-12-2022 1:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 2514 by vimesey
12-12-2022 12:38 PM
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vimesey:
I am human - I can be both right and wrong about various things, because humans are capable of error.
Do you accept that you are human, and can be both right and wrong about various things, because you are capable of error ?
Is this your excuse for not correctly explaining why cancer treatments fail? What do you think was meant by Edward Tatum when he said this in his 1958 Nobel Laureate Lecture? Edward Tatum – Nobel Lecture - NobelPrize.org
As an important example of the application of these same concepts of microbial genetics to mammalian cells, we may cite the probable mutational origin of resistance to chemotherapeutic agents in leukemic cells, and the increasing and effective simultaneous use of two or more chemotherapeutic agents in the treatment of this disease.
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vimesey
Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: 09-21-2011
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Message 2516 of 2932 (903530)
12-12-2022 1:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 2515 by Kleinman
12-12-2022 1:14 PM
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I am asking you if you accept that you can be wrong. You are avoiding answering that simple question. Answer it.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2517 of 2932 (903532)
12-12-2022 2:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 2516 by vimesey
12-12-2022 1:34 PM
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vimesey:
I am asking you if you accept that you can be wrong. You are avoiding answering that simple question. Answer it.
I am not wrong on this, you are. And those doctors are correct to be monitoring Alyssa. I hope for the best, but I prepare for the worst.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 2516 by vimesey, posted 12-12-2022 1:34 PM | | vimesey has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 2518 by vimesey, posted 12-12-2022 2:54 PM | | Kleinman has replied |
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vimesey
Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: 09-21-2011
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Message 2518 of 2932 (903533)
12-12-2022 2:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 2517 by Kleinman
12-12-2022 2:34 PM
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You are still not answering the question. Are you capable of being wrong ?
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 2519 of 2932 (903535)
12-12-2022 3:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 2518 by vimesey
12-12-2022 2:54 PM
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vimesey:
You are still not answering the question. Are you capable of being wrong ?
Not reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals wrong. You have to be a biologist to get it that wrong.
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vimesey
Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: 09-21-2011
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Message 2520 of 2932 (903536)
12-12-2022 3:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 2519 by Kleinman
12-12-2022 3:41 PM
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Actually, scratch that. So you are saying that hundreds of thousands of evidence backed biologists are capable of being wrong, but you're not ?
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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