Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
Why? All he did was show your efforts to denigrate abiogenesis are bogus, just like your meat-cracker religion. That's his job. Others are working on your created organism.
Ash fails to address Tour's argument about chirality and ...
One. Chirality is another made up creationist lie. It is no impediment to abiogenesis. Of the dozen or dozen thousand abiogenic events on this planet only the one prospered. That’s all it takes to solve the problem.
Two. Your fool, Dr. Tour, who knows the chemistry, who knows molecular chemistry, who knows this area of science (as he so grandly self-proclaims) thinks chirality is in the spin of the electron. Stupid. Chirality has to do with a molecule’s non-superposable mirror image. It is not in any way related to electron spin. Your charlatan Dr. Tour is pulling his lies out his ass.
Three. Then he talks about finding red blood cells from dinos in fossils. He said they found “red blood cells, not fossilized stuff, red blood cells…” He’s a lying sack of shit.
quote: Examining part of a fossilised dinosaur claw, the Imperial College London researchers identified tiny ovoid structures with an inner denser core that resembled red blood cells.
They found the fossilized remains of something that resembles red blood cells. They did not find the kind of living fresh cells Tour alludes to. There is a clear scientific difference between the reality of what was found verse what your charlatan Dr. Tour maliciously lied about.
Your video was a creationist propaganda piece full, as usual, with half truths and outright lies and deception. That your Dr. Tour can be so wrong about the facts of the field he knows so well shows he is a creationist charlatan without scholarship or academic merit.
The Ash video gives an honest view of the actual state of the science. He reports on what we know. He didn’t claim we were there. We cannot produce life in the lab, yet. We’ve only been at this for about 100 years. Gaia, as the fossil record attests, took about 300 million years give or take to get the show going.
Be patient. Like so many other God-protected impossible things for man to know … we will find out. We will produce life in the lab. And your god cannot stop us.
Re: Kleinman does not think mutations can be passed down to descendants
If you're going to do this then stop with the half measures.
A dinner, at an upscale restaurant, like Morton's Steakhouse, with wine and dessert for you, me and 2 guests. We'll put a $$ limit on the wine. Nothing over $100 a bottle. Your catholic, and a dumb catholic so I assume you have limited resouces.
Do you know what that quote says? It doesn't say what you think it says. Think of a whole world of life all made from the same physical makeup. That is what we have. All of life, with few exceptions, none significant, is chemically compatible because this system was the one that prospered and diversified on this planet.
quote:A living system usually deals with two enantiomers of the same compound in drastically different ways.
And that is why we don't grow or eat the other. It is not available as sustenance for this total misuse of the chemistry that is involved.
Just like your Dr. Turd's explanation of chirality being a manifestation of election spin and his glaring insistence that viable red blood cells were found in fossils, your continued objections are forced, of no effect and is nothing more than repetition of way old creationist lies debunked ages ago.
And it appears from this study that pre-biotic life didn't have much of an option which chirality was available.
quote:In the absence of an effective enantiomeric environment (precursor, chiral catalyst, or kinetic resolution), separation of a racemic mixture into its enantiomeric components is impossible,...
Before you quote at me be sure you understand the topic.
You missed this part in your comprehension. We have an effective enantiomeric environment. Our internal chemistry. The inner workings of all life on this planet.
Your fear that our bodies could not make molecules of proper chirality is bogus. Your fear that life systems on this planet all make equal amounts of both enantiomers is bogus.
Your insistence that an abiogenic event could not happen because both enantiomers would be present and halt any viable reaction is bogus.
Do you have an alternative explanation of the chirality issue? One that you could evidence to the extent we have on our side?
Does any other of the C- team want to try and explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutational step in the Kishony and Lenski experiments?
quote:“The problem with "chirality” is not so much "How could it possibly have happened?" but more "Which of many possible routes actually led to chirality?" says astrobiologist Steven Benner, a distinguished fellow at the Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution (FFAME) and The Westheimer Institute for Science and Technology, in Gainesville.
Even so, Donna Blackmond, a chemist at The Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California, and colleagues have successfully modeled four viable ways to get from a small chiral imbalance to where we are today. But she doesn’t pretend to solve the conundrum of what started the imbalance.
There are still holes in our knowledge but we're not as dumb as you are on this issue.
AZPaul3: Why? It's been done to death and you lost, again.
Tell that to Taq and Tany.
You really are that egotistical.
They ended their discussions with you because they became repetitive due to your abject stupidity. You lost and you don't even know it. Not a surprise.
This a mathematical and experimental fact of life that you are unwilling to accept because it doesn't fit with your worldview.
The facts of the experiment were not in question. Your interpretation, that other vital function of peer reviewed science, was bogus. Your mathematical models were brilliantly bent to provide the results you wanted. Like any other ego-driven Nobel-wannabe who misrepresents his analysis, especially after your peers refused your views, you, Kleinman, are just another religious nutjob on this board. Your views on genetics, mutations, chirality and so many other topics, are of no intellect and of no scientific interest. You do have entertainment value here so you've got that going for you.
We know religious nutjobs. We've seen sooo many of you in this forum. A lot of us have degrees in Religious Nutjobery.
You're another religious nutjob. That is not opinion. That is hard scientific fact based on the evidence of 755+- posts.
Let's hear your layman's interpretation of why it takes a billion replication for each adaptive mutational step in the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments.
That's your response? Again? Really? You sure are dense as they come.
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