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Theodoric
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Message 1291 of 1864 (906789)
02-16-2023 4:05 PM
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02-16-2023 3:12 PM


Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
60-100+ million in the Americas alone.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1292 of 1864 (906817)
02-16-2023 5:35 PM
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02-16-2023 4:05 PM


Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
And genocide is more than just killing individuals, it is the destruction and eradication of cultures and languages and histories and societies and ...
Christianity and if you want a Nation, the United States have been and are still striving to become the masters of genocide.

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Message 1293 of 1864 (906972)
02-17-2023 6:50 AM
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02-16-2023 1:36 PM


Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
Communism is by definition, atheistic. Communist regimes are created and run by atheists.

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Message 1294 of 1864 (906973)
02-17-2023 6:53 AM
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02-16-2023 1:44 PM


Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
Your psychiatrist is well aware that your grip on reality is rather tenuous and that you are a pathological liar.

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Message 1295 of 1864 (906974)
02-17-2023 7:04 AM
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02-16-2023 3:12 PM


Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
It's interesting that these links you provide are never authored by recognised historians and never appear in peer-reviewed, scholarly publications. Your sources of "information" are internet blogs ... you're a dunce and a clown

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Theodoric
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Message 1296 of 1864 (906976)
02-17-2023 9:19 AM
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02-17-2023 6:50 AM


Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
By definition it is not.
Please show an accepted definition that says it is atheistic. Also by practice it can be theistic.
Religious communism - Wikipedia.
Now Marxist-Leninist philosophy is atheistic, but that is just one version of Communism

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1297 of 1864 (906977)
02-17-2023 9:27 AM
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02-17-2023 7:04 AM


Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
Do you have any sources to show that what has been said is incorrect?
Original references were cited. Do you understand how references are used? Do you know anything about scholarly research?
Pick one of the claims, refute it. Or just crawl back under your rock.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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AZPaul3
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Message 1298 of 1864 (906978)
02-17-2023 9:27 AM
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02-17-2023 6:53 AM


Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
Your psychiatrist is well aware that your grip on reality is rather tenuous and that you are a pathological liar.
Maybe so, but the bloody evil of your church continues.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1299 of 1864 (906979)
02-17-2023 9:31 AM
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02-17-2023 7:04 AM


Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
you're a dunce and a clown
That may be so but the bloody evil that is your catholic church remains.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1300 of 1864 (906981)
02-17-2023 11:55 AM
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02-17-2023 9:31 AM


Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
just out of curiosity, do you think that all churches are evil? or only all Christian churches

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Message 1301 of 1864 (906982)
02-17-2023 11:58 AM
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02-16-2023 3:12 PM


Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
Building on that...
AZ writes:
Christianity has killed more humans than any other group, party, country, strongman, etc.
So by Christianity do you mean ALL people who identify as Christian? do we get majikally washed in pigs blood once we renounce our faith and become ex-believers?

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Message 1302 of 1864 (906983)
02-17-2023 12:44 PM
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02-17-2023 11:55 AM


Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
do you think that all churches are evil?
Do you think any of the cults have a bloodless past violently defending their version of a nonexistent fantasy? I can't think of one.
Murder and genocide are not the only sins these cults commit. They insist supernatural fantasy is real which allows them to act against reality for their own zealotry. Religious restrictions on what would be normal human actions result in torture and execution.
Religion's bastardization of logical, critical thought allows all manner of evil to be rationalized and sanctioned, not just by the priests, but by the people themselves. This is the greatest evil religion has foisted on this species; destruction of rational critical thought giving prominence to fantasy over reality.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1303 of 1864 (906986)
02-17-2023 1:51 PM
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02-17-2023 11:55 AM


Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
Phat writes:
just out of curiosity, do you think that all churches are evil? or only all Christian churches
“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
--Steven Weinberg

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Message 1304 of 1864 (906988)
02-17-2023 3:05 PM
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02-17-2023 12:44 PM


Historical facts not christian propganda information
They insist supernatural fantasy is real which allows them to act against reality
But it is real. He is real. He is alive. None of the forces of darkness masquerading as progressive ideas nor of modern secular ideologies nor any other manifestation through an anti theistic zealot (not you of course ) will ever eliminate the idea of Jesus Christ for the simple reason that He is, was, and will forever be. *sips coffee*
I will grant that I am not a good walking advertisement for Him. I'm working on that.
Now...lets have a topic synopsis.

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Message 1305 of 1864 (906989)
02-17-2023 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1303 by Taq
02-17-2023 1:51 PM


Is The Trinity Asleep On The Job?
Here is my latest attempt at a topic synopsis.
Message 1276
jar:
What is the title of the topic?
Despite our many rabbit trails...some political, some ideological, and some roughly on topic, we need to focus on what the Meaning of the Trinity is. jar and AZ and Theo are pointing out the hypocrisy of the Church. Dredge is defending his church but not the rest of them. And candle2 is lamenting the evils of secular godless governments. Allow me to address all of you in this topic synopsis.
AZPaul3 writes:
Onward christian soldiers. Just ask the indigenous peoples of the americas. Oh you can't. Your church already killed them all.
This line of thinking reminds me of what jar said many moons ago. Something to the effect of Christians need to be responsible for the bad done in the name of their religion as well as the good.
AZ sees absolutely no good, but according to our (some of our) Theology he leaves himself open for other spirits to poison him. Just because one does not believe in a spirit is no barrier to influence by a spirit. And of course we would argue (how conveniently!) that the Holy Spirit...unique and alone...never possesses or forces itself on to or in to anyone. No way to prove it, though. We all will just have to agree to disagree.
Taq writes:
“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
--Steven Weinberg
There is another R word. Religion. The educated among you will argue that the Trinity doctrine is/was a product of religion. Organized religion. Church people behaving manipulatively and purposefully. And its not an argument I will ry and refute.
The question in my mind is whether This group of people known as the Church will ever distance themselves far enough away from secularism so as to be unique.

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